Yes, "no-virus" trolls are a psyop. They are a nasty cult-like set of mostly anonymous trolls., but there are named individuals, too. They behave very much like the Scientology cult., very aggressive, post same mockingbird comments everywhere, become irate the minute they are told to calm down. I had to ban several of them. One is Christine Massey (total nutcase). If she shows up in your feed, my advice, ban right away. I got them under control on my page by being ruthless :) Social media is like a prison yard.
Not if they are passionate & ashamed of their previous gullibility on the topic. Their over-zealous 'BORN AGAIN' demeanor is perfectly predictable & that may be part of the plan?
I have not seen any trolling operations around the slogans you propose. I had no groups swarming my comment section with these narratives, consistently, month after month. That's why the "no virus" operation stands out so much as an organized psyop. You pushing their talking points and "claim the money" BS here, is illustrative, too. Can you guys write ANYTHING without your "no viruses isolated" statements, for once? Do you do anything at all in your life that's not "no virus"? Write about that for a change.
why are you still pushing bullshit talking points? I will pledge $1000 for you no-virus trolls to shut up and leave us, writers alone. Stop compelling our speech. Do fuck off as the author of this stack asks you to.
Dear diary, another admirer on the internet lost today. So devastating that I shall cry myself to sleep tonight. He couldn't think of anything original so he threw another "she is on the team with Malone" shtick at me, copied from JJ Couey. Dear Diary, does original thinking exist among men on the internet, or do men named Warren copy men named Jonathan? I shall ponder this tomorrow...
Wait, wait, wait a cotton pickin minute here! I am pretty sure I saw you very recently Sasha on an interview saying pretty much that virology is fiction, no?
yes, virology is a fiction. But "no-virus" trolls that do not read articles, do not comprehend what's written, what I said in interviews... etc etc. - they are disruptive, chaos agents, a cult that only know to post talking points, how to be aggressive assholes and how to just shit everywhere.. That's why I typically ban them. That's what this article is about. It has nothing to do with virology whatsoever. It's about behavior of chaos agents on the internet.
You named it. It is telling that none of the “no virus crowd” here actually engages with the topic of the article.
I don’t even oppose their opinion.
I am simply not interested. I just don’t want to be hassled and constantly schooled by aggressive actors. That’s why I wrote the article.
But not being interested and not joining their tribe is upsetting for them; they rant all over the comment section with stuff that has nothing to do with my article.
If I wasn’t one hundred per cent sure it is a psyop, I am now.
This doesn’t mean the majority of those who are in the “no virus camp” are part of that Psyop. Not at all. They are normal people interested in the topic and forming an opinion that is totally reasonable.
It is not what is said about the virus topic. It is how it said and done by some deliberate agitors that gives the PSYOP away.
Well since that's what the entire article was about from the beginning to the end you might try to participate in a discussion that aligns with the issues that have been presented or is that too much for somebody obviously riddled with many viruses 😂
Yeah, I don't get it! I mean, I agree with S Latypova and believe her to be both credible and honest, but why so anti?!
Mike Yeadon is a clear example of a man who has performed a 180° on the virus/contagion folklore and all credit to him. You have to attack the root not the bloody leaves...
You're a lunatic that doesn't know how to read and a psy op. This has been an enlightening discussion I know how to handle giant pos like you in future
Ok, so as long as we are only referring to assholes/bots and not shutting down a conversation that, imo, needs to be broadened to include more than just Virology. Immunology and the ‘molecular vision of life’ deserve reappraisal, along with genetics and so much of our mainstream. We also have a massive gap in knowledge of ancient traditions which have much to contribute and that are quite scientific, like the Ayurvedic and Traditional Chinese Medicine POVs, among others, are entirely marginalized and/or co-opted within our military-mechanistic-medical model. All of this must be discussable without logical fallacy.
Sympathetic resonance used for telecommunications is the same as sympathetic magic. Both manipulate the Aether & both are SCALAR rather than bound by simple vectors of energy.
Magic & the Military are one & same as BSM mentions & that is why they pretend to be opposing outlooks.
no, you didn't threaten me. You just wrote a bunch of nasty stuff including that I am a gaslighter just now. Which all no-virus trolls do. Then they tell each other I "lash out" at them, and that therefore I am a chaos agent, pharma shill, work with Malone, foreign spy, etc. etc. these are all the things they tell each other, simply because I RESPOND in kind to their attacks, while they expect me to shrink as a violet when they write nasty shit to me. How sweet, really. I NEVER attack first.
I agree with you that some of the “no-virus” crowd seem abnormal. I think it comes from their lack of expertise or experience dealing with the problems science faces everyday. You know it first hand. They don’t.
However, although Christine Massey banned me on her substack, probably because she has no science background related to microbiology, she has uncovered some serious stuff. Is she a nutcase? No. Passionate too much? Yes.
Definitely a psy op or a cult. When you run around telling everybody that you know everything they know nothing you never listen to the other side arguments you never read the original article you just go and slam everybody and do a whole lot of service for the pharmaceutical companies which you're clearly being paid by or usaid or one of those lovely Democratic organizations that have brought so much joy to our great country
Climate crisis definitely manufactured as part of the control grid that all of these no virus people are here distracting us from just as was clearly outlined in the original article. Except you didn't go into climate crisis. And I just agree with the author about the moon landing definitely fake but that can be discussed later after we've conquered the lizard people coming out of the crevices of Simeon valley
The 'globalist' cabal bent on forcing us into 15 min dairy-free cities IS the psyop and the major distraction, which this stack is clearly part of- 'Exposing the who, how, where and what of the global totalitarian surveillance and nudging push should be the sole focus of all of us. This is currently the mother of all threats.' ie going down the rabbit holes of the Black Nobility and Bill Gates- what a joke. As if these 'investigations' in any way shape or form was fighting or threatening power.
'If viruses exist will be the least of our problems living under the control of nefarious exploitive global maniacs surveilling and controlling every facet of our lives.' The way 'they' (ie big pharma et al) control us is through the perceived threat from germs and viruses. So it is kinda important to trash their lies. Otherwise they'll continue to control us won't they?
I don't ban people who are able to have a reasonable discussion. I ban cultists who are not able to have a reasonable discussion and can only post cult talking points all over the place, disregard my clearly expressed views and bully and harass incessantly. That's what I ban. Hope that's clear now.
Anyone suggesting an “intellectual argument” with Christine Massey needs to have their head examined. LMAO. I never argued anything with her. Please, by all means ban me. That will make you finally go away.
I can’t have an intellectual argument with Christine, and have zero interest in it, because her behavior to me was identical to your behavior toward me. I don’t know what you all drink or eat or take as drugs in your little no-virus club, but ALL of you behave identically: swarm comment section, hurl abuses, be rude, obnoxious, disregard the author’s writing, opinion and polite requests to calm down, bully and compel the author’s speech, shit all over the place and get ultimately thrown out. Please understand that after you or her or any one of you show themselves like this, NOBODY IS INTERESTED in any of your opinions on any topic whatsoever. I hope this was educational. You can’t be an asshole and expect that people will have an intellectual debate with you. Have a great day. Say hi to Christine.
Wow, ad hominem? The ‘science’ behind Virology, and even Immunology, Cell Path, and so much of ‘medical science’ is full of logical fallacy and hypotheses which cannot be disproved. When people conduct actual science and determine this…you criticize with more logical fallacy?
lol, triggered? I love it. Go on…. oh yes, please send my regards to Christine. What an unforgettable encounter it was a few years back. She got her ass kicked out of my page sooooo spectacularly! My only regret it was only done once. It was just too entertaining.
Kicking Christine Massey's ass off your page by pressing a button that says block is not quite the same thing as winning an intellectual argument Sasha.
I agree with you. It’s very disconcerting to witness such nasty spiteful schoolyard behaviour from a writer and artist I greatly admired. I’m unfollowing her for now.
This is not about viruses, this is about nasty idiots who work for psyop campaigns and run around the internet assaulting anyone with more than a handful of followers and trying to compel their speech. It’s ludicrous that you can’t read and comprehend the text.
Do not let trolls color your perception…the goal of paid trolls is to muddy the water, why let them? There is no good reason to accept virology, or immunology, or cell path, or basically all ‘medical science’…these basic wrong assumptions must be addressed.
I have never needed to block any trolls at all so far. I'd rather let them talk so they out themselves. The skill is to not be drawn down to their level and get worked up by them, because that is exactly what they want. On the other hand, sometimes a few direct words are needed.
I know the difference between informed debates and logical arguments, and a total internet troll operation. I get attacked by psyops on all sides, except the pro-vax mainstream who simply pretend I don't exist. I get attacked by the nanobot nutjobs, the JikkyLeaks mouse collective, the Kevins, Robert Malone and half of the MAHA and their trolls, you name it. I am an expert at attracting all the best the internet has to offer. And the "no-virus" anonymous swarming of any account that has a following - that's a psyop campaign without any doubt. Those are not "good people trying to convince", they are a nasty bullshit cult. Thanks.
PS. one piece of evidence these are trolls and a psyop - I don't believe viruses are causative agents of illness, and have written numerous articles on this! Yet, these bullshit artists STILL show up in my comment section wagging a finger at me and "you must say no-virus, seek the truth, blah blah". That tells you, they are not there in search of the truth, it's a different objective entirely.
"But this post (and others like it) is suggesting the 'no virus' realisation brings chaos and disorder, and that we should all keep pretending 'viruses' are real .... and presumably keep pretending vaccines, lockdowns and other 'counter measures' are valid too."
I wrote this post. Have you read it? If yes, please directly copy and paste anything that supports what you wrote above. You are making things up and putting it into my article. I never wrote any of the above. What is wrong with you?
Well summarised. We have endured so much BS over the last five years that we should now have no hesitation in demanding proof of the asserted narrative namely that there is such a thing as a pathogenic virus and that it is transmissible and kills or injures.
Just get your knickers out of a twist, calm the fuck down, and read what I actually wrote.
Read what this article is all about.
Comparing this with articles against "rape trolls, climate emergency trolls, and vaccine benefit trolls" just shows you are totally fanatic about the whole topic.
Either you calm the fuck down and have an adult conversation, or I won't waste any more time on you, and you can rant on until blue in the face.
So, according to the article the "no virus" is a psyop. So then, could you elaborate why would anyone want to run such a psyop. If, as you evidently agree, viruses do not exist, running the "no virus" as a psyop can only have one logical purpose - to discredit the idea of "no virus" by making the psyop obvious enough for people to "discover" it. But this in itself goes against the whole concept of a psyop. So... perhaps the psyop is not the "no virus" but the attempt at discrediting its ideas by making it look like a psyop. A meta psyop if you wish.
Interesting you ask because my next article about that topic is formulating in my head as we speak.
Meta psyop - yes.
In a nutshell, I think it is all about engagement. Without engagement, no manipulation of the masses. People need to care and get emotionally invested first in order to manipulate them.
The two-party political system of the US is a prime example of that. You pitch the population against each other. - Democrats vs. Republicans—over relatively minor issues so they never question the real big issue—that they are ruled by the elites, and whatever party rules, the elites always win and get richer and more powerful.
The psyop behind this is making people believe that they live in a democracy and their voting matters.
The same, I think, is happening with this virus psyop. It engages people about viruses, but what never is questioned is the ruling power of science and rational materialism.
No matter what side you are on here, both sides get engaged in the belief that science has all the answers and solutions for our problems. It reinforces the power of the expert science class.
CIA/USAID/military intelligence/NATO Psyop Unit in Riga, etc. would very much run a spyop like this. To discredit any sound inquiry into vaccine damage. Then all of us can be painted like those nutcases from the internet.
Ironically non virus theory is like a virus. You can look at a 400 word comment on an article looking for a point, a counter theory or an explanation of wtaf causes a cold in the same way you can look at a snotty tissue. Try as you might there’s nothing to see with the naked eye that will enlighten you
excellent. I hope you unsubscribed from my articles. Please do not follow me and do not repeat what I say. Stop bullying and harassing writers that you have no interest in. See, that's how normal people, who are not in the cult, sort out their differences.
Hey I believe you meant to write "the virus deniers" or "the virus doesn't exist" people? Because "'the virus doesn't exist' deniers" is a double negative, and therefore a tad confusing. (It isn't if you read the full article, but for those who might only skim the title, it is...)
For the record, I'm also a person who leans toward Team No Virus, but not trying to convince you, nor getting angry about it.
When someone has the knee-jerk reaction to tell you the ONE THING they know about a subject, it's clear that they either want to sound smart about something they learned from someone else. If it's your own view, you're more likely to want to modify it or at least learn more to refine the idea.
When I worked for Pfizer, doctors would mock the patients that came in asking for drugs by name for a condition that was marketed to them on TV ads because they almost never used the clinical term for the disease. And this urge to claim intellectual superiority is pretty similar.
That said, I've been waiting for 30 years for someone to prove to me that what they call a virus actually causes the symptoms people experience. Just being open about this because I always leave a door open to learn a nuance that hasn't been shared with me previously.
I was diagnosed with AIDS in 1985. My immune system didn't begin to collapse until the year 2000. My cd4 cells were close to 100 normal range is 500 and up. I was on and off of antiretroviral therapy for 10 years because they gave me drugs that I couldn't tolerate so I frequently got to see my lab work reflected in my medication compliance. Finally my doctors put me on medicine I could tolerate many years later than was necessary but you know how doctors are they don't really give a f*** most of them. Anyway now that I stay on my medicine and very rarely stop it my CD4 counts are close to normal once or twice they've been in the normal range. And by viral loads are non-detectable. But if I ever went off of my medicines in the past or now the viral load shoots up in the CD4 counts decline. So unless these people in the lab are magicians or they have little homunculi that come and report to them on what I'm doing with my medicines I don't think there's any other explanation that makes sense except that there is an antiretrovirus.
Wow! I'm glad that you've been able to make it so long despite them giving you meds you couldn't tolerate for so long.
My experience is that minimum 5% of all lab testing defaults to positive, meaning that a huge percentage of people will be diagnosed with something they don't have. I've seen it in others and in myself. Tests have told me I'm positive for one debilitating virus or another when I've never felt better, or that I'm fine when I've felt like crap.
When I ask doctors to show me viruses they'll show some cells, but when I ask how they know those cells cause the problem, they cannot answer. I've also compared those slides to others of "healthy" patients and cannot distinguish any appreciable differences. Neither can those doctors.
Across diagnostics for all sorts of conditions, I don't think I've ever seen absolutes -- like 100% of people with a particular marker having the disease in question. Or consequently 100% with a particular disease presentation having the marker that we are told "causes" the disease or symptoms, such as HIV causes AIDS or SARS Cov-2 causes Covid19.
I noticed over the decades that the people who were too broke to afford meds stayed alive (and are still alive taking no meds 30+ years later), while most of the people who had access didn't make it past maybe 2 years. Magic Johnson reportedly felt fine when he was diagnosed, but then went downhill when he started antiretrovirals. I don't even think he made it more than a few months before he stopped taking them and he's been fine ever since.
Another thing that is peculiar with AIDS is that it has about a dozen different definitions across several countries, even Canada's is different from the US. In this side of the world, it looks a lot like Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, which I was once diagnosed with. In Africa, it's people puking their brains out. But I also know that Africans have been systematically experimented on with "vaccines" leading up to the AIDS crisis there... same with Ebola. We are seeing something very similar with people who took the Covid vaccine as well. They are literally calling it VAIDS.
I used to have an excellent video on my site about multiple inconsistencies in the AIDS narrative (sharing needles, homosexuality, comparing hot spots across the US etc), which unfortunately got taken down by censors in 2020. I was skeptical about the "gay disease" as an 11 year old when it first was talked about. My mom was an RN so I knew that diseases that were considered so contagious couldn't just circulate amongst a certain group of people based on sexual orientation like that.
Another problem with a diagnosis is that doctors are forced to uphold a "Standard of Care" based on it, which never means what's best for the patient. It's what Big Pharma has decided must be pushed on the patient. It sounds like what you experienced. Again, this is what we saw with Covid, where Remdesivir and a couple of leftover AIDS drugs were forced on hospital patients, who like some of my friends died from said medications. I call it "Death by Diagnosis."
This is why they made you suffer through a drug that was clearly not compatible with your body. I got away with a CFS diagnosis, which thankfully was done by a regular doc with holistic training under his belt, so we worked on my digestion and changed my diet, and I was on the road to recovery within 2 months.
I'm really not interested in engaging in a conversation I lived through watching friends die from AIDS because they didn't take their medicines I was at the bedside of my best friend when he passed. Clearly you've made up your mind to engage in what looks to be like a sigh up cuz I don't know how you could be so dedicated to a cause where you have to come up with such convoluted stories to make a narrative that's sort of kind of almost makes sense especially to people who didn't live through the nightmare that I did. I'm very open to many conspiracies but nobody including you can tell me how it is that the people in the labs are able to present me with lab work that directly reflects my medication compliance. Clearly you had no real sincere interest here in hearing my story you were just fishing so pretty much go and f*** yourself
I have attended medical conferences for over 20 years, where AIDS is a frequent topic covered by physicians who have successfully treated people with an AIDS diagnosis. I have read the literature of successful doctors, not failures like Pfauci. I also worked for Pfizer, where I was made privy to how the sausage is made.
Many people said similar things about watching people die during Covid. I watched many people die during Covid, including my dad and a close friend, and each time it was the doctors and hospital who were at fault. Once you know how the system works from the inside, you know what questions to ask and you can't unsee it.
The fact that you would stoop to such hostility, when all I was doing was presenting FACTS based upon clinical discernment and spin it to suggest that I was somehow uncaring about your plight really only demonstrates that you KNOW you didn't ask the right questions and you've been played.
You're not engaging in conversation you're not acknowledging any points I've made or attempting to tackle any of them all you're doing is bad during like all of the other no virus what look like psy op. people on here. And I have no delusions about the medical system you can trust me on that and that's why I say you're all full of s*** you don't give a f*** about the other person's point of view it's all about shoving your s*** down somebody else's throat so go f*** yourself I'm going to go hit the button so I don't have to deal with your complete Insanity and inability to have a conversation.
So there are some compelling explanations as to how the monkey virus got into the human population clearly you haven't heard any of them but have just chosen to let me get this straight say that because people mostly live in urban areas that this is outrageously crazy okay I'm not hearing anybody on here making any good arguments and since you're in the group of no virus people who are clearly looking like a big giant psy op I'm just going to block you
Not a buttinski at all! I appreciate your input. TBH, she's a bit late to this party. LOL. But yes, I like much of what she says and appreciate that she uses her platform to say it. And now she attends some of the conferences where I first had my suspicions confirmed, not just about AIDS, but cancer and a few other disorders she's talked about, which is what I was talking about in the 90s.
I'll be honest though, I am still holding her a little at arms length in the sense that a lot of the "heroes of the pandemic" from the alternative health side have proved themselves to be psyops. I hope to God she's not, but I'll still listen to anything informative she has to share.
Thanks so much for chiming in with this response and the other thoughtful reply you left below.
My thoughts exactly. The last big push--although about a decade before he supposedly was diagnosed--would've been swine flu. Just like the Ebola "virus" showed up a year after they started a vax program near the Ebola River. Hiding in plain sight.
That's a rather broad stroke picture of the human body and the various stages of health and affliction of which it can become subject. Go ahead and paint your pretty little pictures in your little tiny mind and have a nice day cuz I'm not engaging in this discussion.
Science did a bait n' switch with religion to control the population and transfer wisdom from the unknown to the human mind. Before the rise of modern science, viruses were called "plagues" and were an act of God for breaking some covenant or other. "Viruses" are caused by nature (a god in non-Judeo Christian religions) gone rogue.
Either way, they come with narcissistic virtue signaling among the gullible and intellectually lazy.
You're right, I didn't articulate that correctly. It was humans who put all their faith in the mind of other humans, rather than acknowledging there is an unknown and unknowable. My main point is that science is a surrogate god to explain the unknowable. And actually, that's fine. But it's been used to justify all kinds of horrors on the basis of logic. Obviously, God has been used the same way, but there's a particular self-righteousness more common to the "I believe in science" crowd, as if it's an irrefutable destination. I have a video on my SS of a vaccine scientist who has no qualms about using aborted fetuses in making his vaccines because he doesn't believe in God. I'm speaking in gross generalities, but I think you get the picture.
Money and power are definitely inherent to both religion and science as well. I believe both are the shadow government, and the mob. High priests always had the ear of the king and in stories, like that of Henry VIII, its clear it had power over royalty--until he left the Church. It's no secret that the Catholic church is the wealthiest corporation on the planet, unless it was recently surpassed by technocracy. Today, we see scientists telling the govt how to behave, what to prioritize for its own self-interest. That said, I think some people are just bastards who want to see others suffer for whatever sadistic pleasure it gives them.
As for my mob comment, this is how I believe it started. You walk into an ancient temple with a grievance against a neighbor. Kneeling before a candle, you bring a small offering and promise to give the god of the temple a portion of your wealth in exchange for offing the neighbor. The neighbor subsequently dies. The "god" (a person sitting behind a wall in the temple) is appeased by your generous gift or they come after you next.
Funny, I never thought about terrain being outside the body until now! LOL. Probably because I came upon Pasteur and Béchamp in the 90s, when I was very focused on what was going on in *my* body.
Not doing one's due diligence and holding fast to a lie are signs of cult mentality. This is why I see little to no difference between science and religion. Adherents of both would rather lie and lash out at others rather than admit errors or being taken in by ideology rather than truth. These are actions of a cornered animal that sees no way out of a tight situation other than hostility. So much of what we accept as science is actually math, as demonstrated by my critic above. He believes that numbers spit out by a machine are the truth about what's going on in his body. Same could be said for calories, diabetes, blood pressure etc. Perhaps this is what Orwell was also talking about. But I get it too. In my case, it was more about climate change because long before I heard that discussion I noticed bizarre weather living in NYC about 5 months after the Chernobyl disaster as did my friends in Europe. So I was primed to consider that climate change narratives were accurate... I also believed that there was no reason for scientists or governments to lie about it, not understanding ulterior motives. That said, it is entirely likely that climate change would be caused by leaking nuclear reactors, private jets and 2000 lb bombs, but not by the average Joe who's trying to do meaningful work and enjoy some simple pleasures.
In any case, thanks for the stimulating converation. Peace out!
There are are group of arrogant, aggressive grifters who proclaim themselves the leaders of "No Virus". They have worked a group of disciples up to harrass people on the Internet with limited information and worst of all with not a single scientific experiment to their name.
Here is the wierd part, I agree with the general gist of their argument that Viruses do not exist.
The difference is I have conducted the scientific experiments to prove it and therefore do not feel it necessary to attack those that think otherwise.
Ironically for this, THEY the leaders of this cult have attacked ME. Doxxing my friends, family members and even a scientist involved in the project I run, causing them to lose their job.
I therefore largely agree with you that this particular group pf people are most probably a Psy-Op, especially considering that their main talking heads are literally, openly sponsored by Big Pharma.
But I would urge you not to fall for the Psy-op that is there to purposefully discredit the scientific truth of "No Virus"..
I completely agree that the “no virus” subject is a huge psyop. Probably inserted to make Covid/vaccine dissidents appear irrelevant. Similar to how the Flat Earth psyop was inserted to discredit the chemtrails conspiracies. I’m sick of the b.s.
Thank you; that’s exactly what I think. Something is off there with some commenters, and many genuine dissidents get pulled in. I had a very civil discussion with Dr. Yeadon about it a while ago, and we agreed to disagree, but I was surprised he made it such a high priority.
He makes it a priority because of his background in the subject. For him it is a linch pin like the completely oversampled & poorly administered RT PCR tests.
Ultimately his line is:
NVT = end of global spread ideology both asymptomatic and "symptomatic", anti social distancing, masks, lockdowns for viral contagion, big pharma viral research funding and vaccine profits.
"But, but I had no sense of smell, I know X people that died of c19......!"
As Sacha Latypova has explained there are plenty of other ways to lose smell or even die ... Around 70 million humans effectively leave every year.
There is no virus and there are no genetics neither, viruses are nanoparticles and genetics is bioelectricity in conjunction with qdots hit by a laser. They use the electrochemiluminescence of qdots and the monitor reads voltage gradients. The stories about nucleotides are hilarious, polymerase CRISPR CAS9 is quite a psychedelic fairy tale, given the simple nature of enzymes, but sure- Crick found this incredible insight on acid...
Exosomes are everywhere and endosomes are carrying hormones into the brain, also ions - but they do not diffuse through the presynaptic cleft - they are 7 angstöm fat things - while Ions are just 1 angström in size. But Ions have special channels to leave and "neurotransmitters" don't haha- they are just hormones .... ;)
I'm not a no virus person and I can present evidence that you will just cause your ears too and close your eyes too and close your mind to because you're a fanatic. And probably a psy op. At any rate I would be much more willing and eager to have a discussion with Sasha who is a reasonable person who knows how to have a discussion and listen to the other person's side and evidence and respond in kind to what that person Said.
"I could present evidence but you'd just reject it is" is a troll tactic I've been subjected to more times than I can count in these last few years and it's always from people defending vaccines and virology.
It's highly rude as well as being a tell tale sign of somebody who can't prove their case.
Maybe it’s not a psyop, but to think viruses don’t exist seems ridiculous to me. There are entire professions and academic departments dedicated to virology. So you’re saying 1000’s of PhD scientists across the world are wrong? What is the Wuhan institute of virology about then?
I gave three tell signs and reasons in the article: Dividing the dissident community (working) , distraction from more current and more dangerous topics (working) and discrediting the dissident movement in the eyes of the uninformed public - too far outside the Overton Window for most. It doesn't matter if your theory is true if the majority perceives it as false.
But , additionally, there is a deeper Psyop at work I will write about in my next article.
You asked a question about how this psyop serves the elites and I made some suggestions, and all you do is pick on words and ignore my points. Not wasting my time again on you.
Go to my page…over 230 articles. I am in the process of creating a list of the most liked and the most controversial ones to make it easier for new readers. But it will take another week or so.
A friend of mine recommended your piece, so I thought I'd check it out. Danged near didn't make it past the intro, though, as I visualized being stuck with such an inconsiderate, self-involved asshole for a neighbor. Since I respect the person who recommended, however, I carried on.
And I'm glad I did, as I largely agreed with your assessments. Not sure about the psyop angle - seems to me more like an organic movement in response to years of scientific lies - but the fervency with which the 'No Viruses' advocates pursue their theories is a serious red-flag. As I am like you, and genuinely do not care whatever theory is real, said-fervency is extremely off-putting. I have no use for absolutists, of any stripe, especially when they 'preach' at others.
So thanks for a solid work. Happy I read it... and happy you live no where near me 😁
Are you American? Have you heard of the term “taking the piss”?
It’s English, I think. It is also called sarcasm or dark humor. I noticed in the past that many people don’t get it, especially Americans. It is a parody making fun of the boring life of suburban old Australians. I get along all right with my neighbors. Just recently did first aid and called an ambulance when one had an accident.
Nothing in the story about my neighbors ever happened. It is made up, except for the rap music, of course.
The same happened when I wrote this piece. Many Americans took it literally and believed every word in it.
Fair enough, apologies for misreading it. While I'm usually pretty good at catching humor, it escaped me here since the rest of the piece seemed grounded in a more serious discussion. Thanks for the clarification.
I think the virus deniers are not homogenous. For me personally I'm just really interested in Jamie Andrews work. It's just another avenue of inquiry that helps feed into my larger understanding. And that larger understanding involves seeing patterns and doing my best to see what they mean. A pattern I see is often these narratives around invisible Monsters that engender fear. carbon in the atmosphere, invisible biological attackers, AI singularity, nuclear winter, mutually assured destruction, aliens, pole shift etc.
I don't feel like I'm personally being culty but I'm ok with being amongst others labelled as such and often really like your vibe Mr Nobody.
Yep, I totally agree, the argument is so fringe and beyond the accessibility of most of us.
It only serves to divide the dissenting resisters who must band together, wake people up and take down the swiftly rising technocratic ideologues.
I have totally doubted most things in which I now believe. It’s just the way researching and learning goes.
It wouldn’t surprise me there aren’t viruses but there are bigger points to focus on, like DARPER pet projects, the WHO’s IHR amendments, mRNA’s broad acceptance, governmental nudging as being socially acceptable, Palestinian genocide being normalised and so on.
We must band together. To do so, we must have the truth in our hands, and attack the core issue together. The core issue being there's no proof of viruses nor of contagion, and that's what we need to unite around.
You’re missing the point mate. The point is that either way, the enemy is the same. It’s us, the people verse the technocratic cabal and their henchmen.
Let’s keep it that simple - splitting hairs causes fractures, the factions. Divided, then conquered.
Stay on task. Their goal is DIGITAL ID and CBDC and the internet of everything (bio-interconnectivity - ie connecting humans to internet via nanotechnology.
Clearly it’s a public forum, however you didn’t bother to contextualise the broader discussion before inserting yourself into it, with random unrelated aspects.
And, again, clearly I’ve heard of more than one pandemic, but you referred to them related to tyrannies; in this regard, no, I haven’t heard of pandemics relating to tyrannies, beyond COVID.
Let me be more specific about what I mean by fringe, which, upon reflection, isn’t exactly what I mean.
The argument for no virus is so fringe because it is so scientifically technical that it is beyond the accessibility of most of us.
If one is a scientist, chase that idea down to the nth degree, but the vast majority of us won’t have the qualifications or capacities to distinguish whether it is true or not.
Take Mike Yeadon, for eg, how many decades was he an expert in the industry, and he is only now coming to understand this? Shows it’s extraordinary technical.
“ Accepting and endorsing the notion of 'viruses' and 'viral pandemics' is not dissenting.” You simply reinforcesd my point with this comment: I am not a dissenter because I don’t follow your dogmatic position!
As the author and Laptova stated, it gets cult-like and only serves to divide.
Keep your conviction sheethed and run with us, not against us.
Firstly, my initial reply - congruent with the author’s - stated that viruses may not be real, but the subject is becoming divisive from those who are from the ‘no virus’ camp - you continue to reinforce this point.
Secondly, You haven’t showed any evident, just referred to wiping snot on people as a methodology to test it, which doesn’t account for the variables not least immunological differences. You may be correct, viruses may be a social construction, but you’ve only stated this with no science. So, point me to a clear double-blinded test with sufficient volunteers that proves this.
I’m not dogmatic, I’m suggesting that ‘no virus-ers’ shouldn’t make this the defining point of resisting the technocrats. That those who don’t adhere to it are heresies or ‘are not dissidents’ as that’s a dogmatic, cult-like stance.
If it’s true, great, soldier on knowing it is, sharing this ‘simple truth’ with the associated evidence, but stop picking fights with fellow dissenters!
The virus-no virus subject is important! But it is more pertinent to coalesce around what we are united on.
Somewhere around the end of 2021 I "caught" something that resulted in entire body chills, slight sinus congestion and a total loss of smell and taste. I was never tested, refused all PCR nasal swabs and never wore a mask. I remained unvaccinated throughout and staunchly against the lockdown nonsense. However, something that had affected my wife just days earlier was soon my shared experience. We both lost our sense of taste and smell for a couple of weeks (something that neither of us had previously experienced), and around the same time were also notified by a few others in our friendship circle that they, too, had experienced, or were currently experiencing the exact same phenomenon of symptoms: various levels of a flu-like condition with a total loss of taste and smell. We had all been in contact with one another at a recent anti-lockdown protest. All these friends had remained unvaccinated throughout. The "no virus" proponents will preach that we were merely synchronising the cleansing of our bodies from toxicity (due to our terrain being impaired) by some triggered unexplained mechanism, and that neither of us actually "caught" anything, nor actually transferred something to anyone else —and that contagion is not real. Lived experience suggests otherwise. The truth is likely somewhere between Germ Theory and Terrain Theory, with the current paradigm of virology being incomplete and perhaps lacking an electromagnetic/ energetic component to what actually constitutes a viral transmission.
I wrote a detailed chain of events of how the Covid virus went from a man at my husband's work to my husband and through my immediate family and friends to their immediate family and friends. I also had my antibodies tested and later my memory T-cells because I thought that natural immunity would allow me to continue working for the NFL without the jab. Mike Yeadon jumped through hoops in his mind to say that my scenario still fits the no virus paradigm.
I get that not everyone gets sick if they spend time with an infected person. I spent an entire weekend with a woman who was my partner in a massage class who later found out that her fatigue all weekend was due to being sick with Covid and I never became ill. But, when my husband came home after being exposed, even though I didn't think either one of us would get sick, we both did. We weren't very sick, mostly tired. About three days in, when we thought we should be bouncing back, is when the neurological symptoms showed up: loss of smell, depression and a feeling of separation from the world. Then after I felt like I was ready to go back to work, the POTS symptoms started along with tingling in my hands and legs. These are recognized as long Covid symptoms. (I was never jabbed). Then I got shingles. I cleared it all up with natural remedies and valtrex but it was certainly not placebo as some people claim. My experience is very consistent with a novel virus exposure.
The no virus camp allows for gain of function research to continue. I lived near Fort Detrick and knew people who worked there (some were my biology and chemistry professors). There was a street nearby where an unusually high number of children developed leukemia and adults developed cancer. It was called, "cancer row." The smoke stacks burned periodically due to burning the monkeys they infected. Everyone in the community knew Lyme disease was created there. There were a lot of horror stories about that place. My professor told us that some were true, some were not but he couldn't tell us which ones. The psychopaths must be stopped at every level, including the gain of function experiments.
love your writing and would love you as my neighbour!
i work in a healthcare field. someone came to work sick recently. now we are all taking turns being sick and having time off.
yes virus’ still exist. we weren’t all 5G’d. none of us have taken jabs.
how about we all go back to looking after our OWN personal health, addressing our diet and lifestyle, avoiding all the unnecessary prescriptions our docs like handing out like candy now and do away with the cult-like “beliefs” and yelling at each other like children and address THE REAL ISSUES (and if virus exist or doesn’t is not one of them).
we have a totally corrupt medical system, banking system, social system…. yet we are wasting time debating on social media if viruses are real or not.
Ten shots and counting. I rode about it in great detail in my early articles. This inspired me to become a Substack writer: To heavily promote the mRNA vaccines. So grateful to have readers like you that do their homework and know everything about the author they read.
Yes, "no-virus" trolls are a psyop. They are a nasty cult-like set of mostly anonymous trolls., but there are named individuals, too. They behave very much like the Scientology cult., very aggressive, post same mockingbird comments everywhere, become irate the minute they are told to calm down. I had to ban several of them. One is Christine Massey (total nutcase). If she shows up in your feed, my advice, ban right away. I got them under control on my page by being ruthless :) Social media is like a prison yard.
LoL - I probably just poked a hornet's nest with my article then, but something feels off about it. The obsession is a bit too much.
Not if they are passionate & ashamed of their previous gullibility on the topic. Their over-zealous 'BORN AGAIN' demeanor is perfectly predictable & that may be part of the plan?
I have not seen any trolling operations around the slogans you propose. I had no groups swarming my comment section with these narratives, consistently, month after month. That's why the "no virus" operation stands out so much as an organized psyop. You pushing their talking points and "claim the money" BS here, is illustrative, too. Can you guys write ANYTHING without your "no viruses isolated" statements, for once? Do you do anything at all in your life that's not "no virus"? Write about that for a change.
why are you still pushing bullshit talking points? I will pledge $1000 for you no-virus trolls to shut up and leave us, writers alone. Stop compelling our speech. Do fuck off as the author of this stack asks you to.
Does Sasha believe that there is evidence for the existence of viruses?
No Calvin, Sasha knows that there is no evidence for the existence of viruses. She has stated that fact herself.
My humble opinion is that the no-virus movement has been/is being infiltrated.
another AI no-virus bot. duly noted. Go home and develop a brain. And then learn to read text in English. After that you can come back.
Dear diary, another admirer on the internet lost today. So devastating that I shall cry myself to sleep tonight. He couldn't think of anything original so he threw another "she is on the team with Malone" shtick at me, copied from JJ Couey. Dear Diary, does original thinking exist among men on the internet, or do men named Warren copy men named Jonathan? I shall ponder this tomorrow...
'I got them under control on my page by being ruthless :) Social media is like a prison yard.'
That's why you get the double thumbs up. No one needs people pleasers in war time. It's not their time.
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Wait, wait, wait a cotton pickin minute here! I am pretty sure I saw you very recently Sasha on an interview saying pretty much that virology is fiction, no?
yes, virology is a fiction. But "no-virus" trolls that do not read articles, do not comprehend what's written, what I said in interviews... etc etc. - they are disruptive, chaos agents, a cult that only know to post talking points, how to be aggressive assholes and how to just shit everywhere.. That's why I typically ban them. That's what this article is about. It has nothing to do with virology whatsoever. It's about behavior of chaos agents on the internet.
You named it. It is telling that none of the “no virus crowd” here actually engages with the topic of the article.
I don’t even oppose their opinion.
I am simply not interested. I just don’t want to be hassled and constantly schooled by aggressive actors. That’s why I wrote the article.
But not being interested and not joining their tribe is upsetting for them; they rant all over the comment section with stuff that has nothing to do with my article.
If I wasn’t one hundred per cent sure it is a psyop, I am now.
This doesn’t mean the majority of those who are in the “no virus camp” are part of that Psyop. Not at all. They are normal people interested in the topic and forming an opinion that is totally reasonable.
It is not what is said about the virus topic. It is how it said and done by some deliberate agitors that gives the PSYOP away.
Oh so I am allowed to question viurs existence but i must say it in a way that doesn't make you think i'm in a psyop?
Well since that's what the entire article was about from the beginning to the end you might try to participate in a discussion that aligns with the issues that have been presented or is that too much for somebody obviously riddled with many viruses 😂
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Yeah, I don't get it! I mean, I agree with S Latypova and believe her to be both credible and honest, but why so anti?!
Mike Yeadon is a clear example of a man who has performed a 180° on the virus/contagion folklore and all credit to him. You have to attack the root not the bloody leaves...
You're a lunatic that doesn't know how to read and a psy op. This has been an enlightening discussion I know how to handle giant pos like you in future
Sasha…these are likely paid trolls sent by pharma to piss people off and make ‘no virus’ look bad
yes, that's exactly why we call them a paid organized psyop.
Ok, so as long as we are only referring to assholes/bots and not shutting down a conversation that, imo, needs to be broadened to include more than just Virology. Immunology and the ‘molecular vision of life’ deserve reappraisal, along with genetics and so much of our mainstream. We also have a massive gap in knowledge of ancient traditions which have much to contribute and that are quite scientific, like the Ayurvedic and Traditional Chinese Medicine POVs, among others, are entirely marginalized and/or co-opted within our military-mechanistic-medical model. All of this must be discussable without logical fallacy.
Sympathetic resonance used for telecommunications is the same as sympathetic magic. Both manipulate the Aether & both are SCALAR rather than bound by simple vectors of energy.
Magic & the Military are one & same as BSM mentions & that is why they pretend to be opposing outlooks.
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oh gosh, I feel so threatened when you threaten me. LMAO. really. first time this happened when the other side ran out of argument. I swear.
You have a good and patient heart, Sasha, to still engage with the man and all this bullshit. I have given up. Waste of time.
no, you didn't threaten me. You just wrote a bunch of nasty stuff including that I am a gaslighter just now. Which all no-virus trolls do. Then they tell each other I "lash out" at them, and that therefore I am a chaos agent, pharma shill, work with Malone, foreign spy, etc. etc. these are all the things they tell each other, simply because I RESPOND in kind to their attacks, while they expect me to shrink as a violet when they write nasty shit to me. How sweet, really. I NEVER attack first.
Sasha,
I agree with you that some of the “no-virus” crowd seem abnormal. I think it comes from their lack of expertise or experience dealing with the problems science faces everyday. You know it first hand. They don’t.
However, although Christine Massey banned me on her substack, probably because she has no science background related to microbiology, she has uncovered some serious stuff. Is she a nutcase? No. Passionate too much? Yes.
This is not about science either. It’s about unhinged behavior and organized psyop.
Whom are you referring to? Christine Massey as an organized psyop leader? Give me a break, Sasha. You are much smarter than that…
She is not a leader obviously. She is just a regular batshit cult member. Of course I am smarter.
Definitely a psy op or a cult. When you run around telling everybody that you know everything they know nothing you never listen to the other side arguments you never read the original article you just go and slam everybody and do a whole lot of service for the pharmaceutical companies which you're clearly being paid by or usaid or one of those lovely Democratic organizations that have brought so much joy to our great country
Yes, best just to ban people who are able to have reasonable, scientific based debates because surely they must be part of one homogenous psyop lump.
The same thing happens to me when I post on pro-vaccine sites- I am lumped in with all anti-vax climate crisis deniers.
It's a common way of never growing or learning anything new and staying in the clutches of fossil fuels and animal ag (pharma's biggest client).
Climate crisis definitely manufactured as part of the control grid that all of these no virus people are here distracting us from just as was clearly outlined in the original article. Except you didn't go into climate crisis. And I just agree with the author about the moon landing definitely fake but that can be discussed later after we've conquered the lizard people coming out of the crevices of Simeon valley
Psyops are as varied as personalities.
BSM has made a very important point that many of them may not be even tangible people, that is why so many are mostly humorless & repetitive.
However the PRO-virus/vax trolls & shills are even more insufferable.
This generates what the essay above is trying to do, which is to make everyone sick of the topic who isn't a fanatic on either side.
The 'globalist' cabal bent on forcing us into 15 min dairy-free cities IS the psyop and the major distraction, which this stack is clearly part of- 'Exposing the who, how, where and what of the global totalitarian surveillance and nudging push should be the sole focus of all of us. This is currently the mother of all threats.' ie going down the rabbit holes of the Black Nobility and Bill Gates- what a joke. As if these 'investigations' in any way shape or form was fighting or threatening power.
'If viruses exist will be the least of our problems living under the control of nefarious exploitive global maniacs surveilling and controlling every facet of our lives.' The way 'they' (ie big pharma et al) control us is through the perceived threat from germs and viruses. So it is kinda important to trash their lies. Otherwise they'll continue to control us won't they?
Essay? Sounded like a rant to me.
I don't ban people who are able to have a reasonable discussion. I ban cultists who are not able to have a reasonable discussion and can only post cult talking points all over the place, disregard my clearly expressed views and bully and harass incessantly. That's what I ban. Hope that's clear now.
So do i. Banning you now.
Anyone suggesting an “intellectual argument” with Christine Massey needs to have their head examined. LMAO. I never argued anything with her. Please, by all means ban me. That will make you finally go away.
Having an intellectual argument with Christine is exactly what one can do. She makes me back up everything I say. We have discussed the alpha-gal story https://jowaller.substack.com/p/war-on-meat-a-response-to-sam-bailey?utm_source=publication-search the does screening save lives from cervical cancer? story https://jowaller.substack.com/p/hpv-cervical-cancer-and-vaccines?utm_source=publication-search and the if viruses don’t exist what about antibodies? story https://jowaller.substack.com/p/if-viruses-dont-exist-what-about?utm_source=publication-search She is what substack can be at its best-expanding understanding and not what it is at its worst- getting hits and likes for posts telling people to fuck off and insulting anyone who doesn’t kow tow to the group think.
I can’t have an intellectual argument with Christine, and have zero interest in it, because her behavior to me was identical to your behavior toward me. I don’t know what you all drink or eat or take as drugs in your little no-virus club, but ALL of you behave identically: swarm comment section, hurl abuses, be rude, obnoxious, disregard the author’s writing, opinion and polite requests to calm down, bully and compel the author’s speech, shit all over the place and get ultimately thrown out. Please understand that after you or her or any one of you show themselves like this, NOBODY IS INTERESTED in any of your opinions on any topic whatsoever. I hope this was educational. You can’t be an asshole and expect that people will have an intellectual debate with you. Have a great day. Say hi to Christine.
Wow, ad hominem? The ‘science’ behind Virology, and even Immunology, Cell Path, and so much of ‘medical science’ is full of logical fallacy and hypotheses which cannot be disproved. When people conduct actual science and determine this…you criticize with more logical fallacy?
Have you read this?
https://open.substack.com/pub/researchintegrity/p/confirmed-andrew-kaufman-at-thai?r=504zla&utm_medium=ios
if you come to my page you will find out.
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lol, triggered? I love it. Go on…. oh yes, please send my regards to Christine. What an unforgettable encounter it was a few years back. She got her ass kicked out of my page sooooo spectacularly! My only regret it was only done once. It was just too entertaining.
Kicking Christine Massey's ass off your page by pressing a button that says block is not quite the same thing as winning an intellectual argument Sasha.
I agree with you. It’s very disconcerting to witness such nasty spiteful schoolyard behaviour from a writer and artist I greatly admired. I’m unfollowing her for now.
Hiya Word, long time no see! xx
This is not about viruses, this is about nasty idiots who work for psyop campaigns and run around the internet assaulting anyone with more than a handful of followers and trying to compel their speech. It’s ludicrous that you can’t read and comprehend the text.
Do not let trolls color your perception…the goal of paid trolls is to muddy the water, why let them? There is no good reason to accept virology, or immunology, or cell path, or basically all ‘medical science’…these basic wrong assumptions must be addressed.
You can fuck off too, dear.
Can you not just block these people instead of stooping down to their level?
I have never needed to block any trolls at all so far. I'd rather let them talk so they out themselves. The skill is to not be drawn down to their level and get worked up by them, because that is exactly what they want. On the other hand, sometimes a few direct words are needed.
I know the difference between informed debates and logical arguments, and a total internet troll operation. I get attacked by psyops on all sides, except the pro-vax mainstream who simply pretend I don't exist. I get attacked by the nanobot nutjobs, the JikkyLeaks mouse collective, the Kevins, Robert Malone and half of the MAHA and their trolls, you name it. I am an expert at attracting all the best the internet has to offer. And the "no-virus" anonymous swarming of any account that has a following - that's a psyop campaign without any doubt. Those are not "good people trying to convince", they are a nasty bullshit cult. Thanks.
PS. one piece of evidence these are trolls and a psyop - I don't believe viruses are causative agents of illness, and have written numerous articles on this! Yet, these bullshit artists STILL show up in my comment section wagging a finger at me and "you must say no-virus, seek the truth, blah blah". That tells you, they are not there in search of the truth, it's a different objective entirely.
This post and my comments here are NOT about FUCKING VIROLOGY. It is about FUCKING IDIOT TROLLS. I hope this is clear now?
PS. You are demonstrating the behavior we are writing about.
"But this post (and others like it) is suggesting the 'no virus' realisation brings chaos and disorder, and that we should all keep pretending 'viruses' are real .... and presumably keep pretending vaccines, lockdowns and other 'counter measures' are valid too."
I wrote this post. Have you read it? If yes, please directly copy and paste anything that supports what you wrote above. You are making things up and putting it into my article. I never wrote any of the above. What is wrong with you?
Well summarised. We have endured so much BS over the last five years that we should now have no hesitation in demanding proof of the asserted narrative namely that there is such a thing as a pathogenic virus and that it is transmissible and kills or injures.
Have you read the article, Tim?
Seriously.
Just get your knickers out of a twist, calm the fuck down, and read what I actually wrote.
Read what this article is all about.
Comparing this with articles against "rape trolls, climate emergency trolls, and vaccine benefit trolls" just shows you are totally fanatic about the whole topic.
Either you calm the fuck down and have an adult conversation, or I won't waste any more time on you, and you can rant on until blue in the face.
Up to you.
So, according to the article the "no virus" is a psyop. So then, could you elaborate why would anyone want to run such a psyop. If, as you evidently agree, viruses do not exist, running the "no virus" as a psyop can only have one logical purpose - to discredit the idea of "no virus" by making the psyop obvious enough for people to "discover" it. But this in itself goes against the whole concept of a psyop. So... perhaps the psyop is not the "no virus" but the attempt at discrediting its ideas by making it look like a psyop. A meta psyop if you wish.
Interesting you ask because my next article about that topic is formulating in my head as we speak.
Meta psyop - yes.
In a nutshell, I think it is all about engagement. Without engagement, no manipulation of the masses. People need to care and get emotionally invested first in order to manipulate them.
The two-party political system of the US is a prime example of that. You pitch the population against each other. - Democrats vs. Republicans—over relatively minor issues so they never question the real big issue—that they are ruled by the elites, and whatever party rules, the elites always win and get richer and more powerful.
The psyop behind this is making people believe that they live in a democracy and their voting matters.
The same, I think, is happening with this virus psyop. It engages people about viruses, but what never is questioned is the ruling power of science and rational materialism.
No matter what side you are on here, both sides get engaged in the belief that science has all the answers and solutions for our problems. It reinforces the power of the expert science class.
CIA/USAID/military intelligence/NATO Psyop Unit in Riga, etc. would very much run a spyop like this. To discredit any sound inquiry into vaccine damage. Then all of us can be painted like those nutcases from the internet.
Ironically non virus theory is like a virus. You can look at a 400 word comment on an article looking for a point, a counter theory or an explanation of wtaf causes a cold in the same way you can look at a snotty tissue. Try as you might there’s nothing to see with the naked eye that will enlighten you
Nope. they don't read articles. They only post talking points. Seriously, this cult is something to behold...
Chill, man. Not good for your heart to get so worked up about all this.
excellent. I hope you unsubscribed from my articles. Please do not follow me and do not repeat what I say. Stop bullying and harassing writers that you have no interest in. See, that's how normal people, who are not in the cult, sort out their differences.
Hey I believe you meant to write "the virus deniers" or "the virus doesn't exist" people? Because "'the virus doesn't exist' deniers" is a double negative, and therefore a tad confusing. (It isn't if you read the full article, but for those who might only skim the title, it is...)
For the record, I'm also a person who leans toward Team No Virus, but not trying to convince you, nor getting angry about it.
Thank you, corrected. I have no opinion and no knowledge if it exists or not. For me, it is not about that.
Yep, I got that. :)
Thank you for giving another beautiful example of the exact arrogant, cult-like behavior the article addresses.
It's not your fucking business in what I educate myself.
When someone has the knee-jerk reaction to tell you the ONE THING they know about a subject, it's clear that they either want to sound smart about something they learned from someone else. If it's your own view, you're more likely to want to modify it or at least learn more to refine the idea.
When I worked for Pfizer, doctors would mock the patients that came in asking for drugs by name for a condition that was marketed to them on TV ads because they almost never used the clinical term for the disease. And this urge to claim intellectual superiority is pretty similar.
That said, I've been waiting for 30 years for someone to prove to me that what they call a virus actually causes the symptoms people experience. Just being open about this because I always leave a door open to learn a nuance that hasn't been shared with me previously.
I was diagnosed with AIDS in 1985. My immune system didn't begin to collapse until the year 2000. My cd4 cells were close to 100 normal range is 500 and up. I was on and off of antiretroviral therapy for 10 years because they gave me drugs that I couldn't tolerate so I frequently got to see my lab work reflected in my medication compliance. Finally my doctors put me on medicine I could tolerate many years later than was necessary but you know how doctors are they don't really give a f*** most of them. Anyway now that I stay on my medicine and very rarely stop it my CD4 counts are close to normal once or twice they've been in the normal range. And by viral loads are non-detectable. But if I ever went off of my medicines in the past or now the viral load shoots up in the CD4 counts decline. So unless these people in the lab are magicians or they have little homunculi that come and report to them on what I'm doing with my medicines I don't think there's any other explanation that makes sense except that there is an antiretrovirus.
Wow! I'm glad that you've been able to make it so long despite them giving you meds you couldn't tolerate for so long.
My experience is that minimum 5% of all lab testing defaults to positive, meaning that a huge percentage of people will be diagnosed with something they don't have. I've seen it in others and in myself. Tests have told me I'm positive for one debilitating virus or another when I've never felt better, or that I'm fine when I've felt like crap.
When I ask doctors to show me viruses they'll show some cells, but when I ask how they know those cells cause the problem, they cannot answer. I've also compared those slides to others of "healthy" patients and cannot distinguish any appreciable differences. Neither can those doctors.
Across diagnostics for all sorts of conditions, I don't think I've ever seen absolutes -- like 100% of people with a particular marker having the disease in question. Or consequently 100% with a particular disease presentation having the marker that we are told "causes" the disease or symptoms, such as HIV causes AIDS or SARS Cov-2 causes Covid19.
I noticed over the decades that the people who were too broke to afford meds stayed alive (and are still alive taking no meds 30+ years later), while most of the people who had access didn't make it past maybe 2 years. Magic Johnson reportedly felt fine when he was diagnosed, but then went downhill when he started antiretrovirals. I don't even think he made it more than a few months before he stopped taking them and he's been fine ever since.
Another thing that is peculiar with AIDS is that it has about a dozen different definitions across several countries, even Canada's is different from the US. In this side of the world, it looks a lot like Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, which I was once diagnosed with. In Africa, it's people puking their brains out. But I also know that Africans have been systematically experimented on with "vaccines" leading up to the AIDS crisis there... same with Ebola. We are seeing something very similar with people who took the Covid vaccine as well. They are literally calling it VAIDS.
I used to have an excellent video on my site about multiple inconsistencies in the AIDS narrative (sharing needles, homosexuality, comparing hot spots across the US etc), which unfortunately got taken down by censors in 2020. I was skeptical about the "gay disease" as an 11 year old when it first was talked about. My mom was an RN so I knew that diseases that were considered so contagious couldn't just circulate amongst a certain group of people based on sexual orientation like that.
Another problem with a diagnosis is that doctors are forced to uphold a "Standard of Care" based on it, which never means what's best for the patient. It's what Big Pharma has decided must be pushed on the patient. It sounds like what you experienced. Again, this is what we saw with Covid, where Remdesivir and a couple of leftover AIDS drugs were forced on hospital patients, who like some of my friends died from said medications. I call it "Death by Diagnosis."
This is why they made you suffer through a drug that was clearly not compatible with your body. I got away with a CFS diagnosis, which thankfully was done by a regular doc with holistic training under his belt, so we worked on my digestion and changed my diet, and I was on the road to recovery within 2 months.
May I ask why you were first tested for AIDS?
I'm really not interested in engaging in a conversation I lived through watching friends die from AIDS because they didn't take their medicines I was at the bedside of my best friend when he passed. Clearly you've made up your mind to engage in what looks to be like a sigh up cuz I don't know how you could be so dedicated to a cause where you have to come up with such convoluted stories to make a narrative that's sort of kind of almost makes sense especially to people who didn't live through the nightmare that I did. I'm very open to many conspiracies but nobody including you can tell me how it is that the people in the labs are able to present me with lab work that directly reflects my medication compliance. Clearly you had no real sincere interest here in hearing my story you were just fishing so pretty much go and f*** yourself
I have attended medical conferences for over 20 years, where AIDS is a frequent topic covered by physicians who have successfully treated people with an AIDS diagnosis. I have read the literature of successful doctors, not failures like Pfauci. I also worked for Pfizer, where I was made privy to how the sausage is made.
Many people said similar things about watching people die during Covid. I watched many people die during Covid, including my dad and a close friend, and each time it was the doctors and hospital who were at fault. Once you know how the system works from the inside, you know what questions to ask and you can't unsee it.
The fact that you would stoop to such hostility, when all I was doing was presenting FACTS based upon clinical discernment and spin it to suggest that I was somehow uncaring about your plight really only demonstrates that you KNOW you didn't ask the right questions and you've been played.
You're not engaging in conversation you're not acknowledging any points I've made or attempting to tackle any of them all you're doing is bad during like all of the other no virus what look like psy op. people on here. And I have no delusions about the medical system you can trust me on that and that's why I say you're all full of s*** you don't give a f*** about the other person's point of view it's all about shoving your s*** down somebody else's throat so go f*** yourself I'm going to go hit the button so I don't have to deal with your complete Insanity and inability to have a conversation.
So there are some compelling explanations as to how the monkey virus got into the human population clearly you haven't heard any of them but have just chosen to let me get this straight say that because people mostly live in urban areas that this is outrageously crazy okay I'm not hearing anybody on here making any good arguments and since you're in the group of no virus people who are clearly looking like a big giant psy op I'm just going to block you
Not a buttinski at all! I appreciate your input. TBH, she's a bit late to this party. LOL. But yes, I like much of what she says and appreciate that she uses her platform to say it. And now she attends some of the conferences where I first had my suspicions confirmed, not just about AIDS, but cancer and a few other disorders she's talked about, which is what I was talking about in the 90s.
I'll be honest though, I am still holding her a little at arms length in the sense that a lot of the "heroes of the pandemic" from the alternative health side have proved themselves to be psyops. I hope to God she's not, but I'll still listen to anything informative she has to share.
Thanks so much for chiming in with this response and the other thoughtful reply you left below.
My thoughts exactly. The last big push--although about a decade before he supposedly was diagnosed--would've been swine flu. Just like the Ebola "virus" showed up a year after they started a vax program near the Ebola River. Hiding in plain sight.
That's a rather broad stroke picture of the human body and the various stages of health and affliction of which it can become subject. Go ahead and paint your pretty little pictures in your little tiny mind and have a nice day cuz I'm not engaging in this discussion.
Science did a bait n' switch with religion to control the population and transfer wisdom from the unknown to the human mind. Before the rise of modern science, viruses were called "plagues" and were an act of God for breaking some covenant or other. "Viruses" are caused by nature (a god in non-Judeo Christian religions) gone rogue.
Either way, they come with narcissistic virtue signaling among the gullible and intellectually lazy.
You're right, I didn't articulate that correctly. It was humans who put all their faith in the mind of other humans, rather than acknowledging there is an unknown and unknowable. My main point is that science is a surrogate god to explain the unknowable. And actually, that's fine. But it's been used to justify all kinds of horrors on the basis of logic. Obviously, God has been used the same way, but there's a particular self-righteousness more common to the "I believe in science" crowd, as if it's an irrefutable destination. I have a video on my SS of a vaccine scientist who has no qualms about using aborted fetuses in making his vaccines because he doesn't believe in God. I'm speaking in gross generalities, but I think you get the picture.
Money and power are definitely inherent to both religion and science as well. I believe both are the shadow government, and the mob. High priests always had the ear of the king and in stories, like that of Henry VIII, its clear it had power over royalty--until he left the Church. It's no secret that the Catholic church is the wealthiest corporation on the planet, unless it was recently surpassed by technocracy. Today, we see scientists telling the govt how to behave, what to prioritize for its own self-interest. That said, I think some people are just bastards who want to see others suffer for whatever sadistic pleasure it gives them.
As for my mob comment, this is how I believe it started. You walk into an ancient temple with a grievance against a neighbor. Kneeling before a candle, you bring a small offering and promise to give the god of the temple a portion of your wealth in exchange for offing the neighbor. The neighbor subsequently dies. The "god" (a person sitting behind a wall in the temple) is appeased by your generous gift or they come after you next.
Funny, I never thought about terrain being outside the body until now! LOL. Probably because I came upon Pasteur and Béchamp in the 90s, when I was very focused on what was going on in *my* body.
Not doing one's due diligence and holding fast to a lie are signs of cult mentality. This is why I see little to no difference between science and religion. Adherents of both would rather lie and lash out at others rather than admit errors or being taken in by ideology rather than truth. These are actions of a cornered animal that sees no way out of a tight situation other than hostility. So much of what we accept as science is actually math, as demonstrated by my critic above. He believes that numbers spit out by a machine are the truth about what's going on in his body. Same could be said for calories, diabetes, blood pressure etc. Perhaps this is what Orwell was also talking about. But I get it too. In my case, it was more about climate change because long before I heard that discussion I noticed bizarre weather living in NYC about 5 months after the Chernobyl disaster as did my friends in Europe. So I was primed to consider that climate change narratives were accurate... I also believed that there was no reason for scientists or governments to lie about it, not understanding ulterior motives. That said, it is entirely likely that climate change would be caused by leaking nuclear reactors, private jets and 2000 lb bombs, but not by the average Joe who's trying to do meaningful work and enjoy some simple pleasures.
In any case, thanks for the stimulating converation. Peace out!
Your headline is a double negative. Just saying
Thank you. Corrected.
I just said the same!
There are are group of arrogant, aggressive grifters who proclaim themselves the leaders of "No Virus". They have worked a group of disciples up to harrass people on the Internet with limited information and worst of all with not a single scientific experiment to their name.
Here is the wierd part, I agree with the general gist of their argument that Viruses do not exist.
The difference is I have conducted the scientific experiments to prove it and therefore do not feel it necessary to attack those that think otherwise.
Ironically for this, THEY the leaders of this cult have attacked ME. Doxxing my friends, family members and even a scientist involved in the project I run, causing them to lose their job.
I therefore largely agree with you that this particular group pf people are most probably a Psy-Op, especially considering that their main talking heads are literally, openly sponsored by Big Pharma.
But I would urge you not to fall for the Psy-op that is there to purposefully discredit the scientific truth of "No Virus"..
I completely agree that the “no virus” subject is a huge psyop. Probably inserted to make Covid/vaccine dissidents appear irrelevant. Similar to how the Flat Earth psyop was inserted to discredit the chemtrails conspiracies. I’m sick of the b.s.
Thank you; that’s exactly what I think. Something is off there with some commenters, and many genuine dissidents get pulled in. I had a very civil discussion with Dr. Yeadon about it a while ago, and we agreed to disagree, but I was surprised he made it such a high priority.
He makes it a priority because of his background in the subject. For him it is a linch pin like the completely oversampled & poorly administered RT PCR tests.
Ultimately his line is:
NVT = end of global spread ideology both asymptomatic and "symptomatic", anti social distancing, masks, lockdowns for viral contagion, big pharma viral research funding and vaccine profits.
"But, but I had no sense of smell, I know X people that died of c19......!"
As Sacha Latypova has explained there are plenty of other ways to lose smell or even die ... Around 70 million humans effectively leave every year.
I am starting to have fun....
No, no, that's not fair. Mr. Word Herder.
Don't cut me any slack, please.
Yes, I am incredibly ignorant, but I am vile and evil too.
And paid and captured opposition.
Hit me as hard as you must.
I am shivering.
There is no virus and there are no genetics neither, viruses are nanoparticles and genetics is bioelectricity in conjunction with qdots hit by a laser. They use the electrochemiluminescence of qdots and the monitor reads voltage gradients. The stories about nucleotides are hilarious, polymerase CRISPR CAS9 is quite a psychedelic fairy tale, given the simple nature of enzymes, but sure- Crick found this incredible insight on acid...
Exosomes are everywhere and endosomes are carrying hormones into the brain, also ions - but they do not diffuse through the presynaptic cleft - they are 7 angstöm fat things - while Ions are just 1 angström in size. But Ions have special channels to leave and "neurotransmitters" don't haha- they are just hormones .... ;)
I'm not a no virus person and I can present evidence that you will just cause your ears too and close your eyes too and close your mind to because you're a fanatic. And probably a psy op. At any rate I would be much more willing and eager to have a discussion with Sasha who is a reasonable person who knows how to have a discussion and listen to the other person's side and evidence and respond in kind to what that person Said.
"I could present evidence but you'd just reject it is" is a troll tactic I've been subjected to more times than I can count in these last few years and it's always from people defending vaccines and virology.
It's highly rude as well as being a tell tale sign of somebody who can't prove their case.
Maybe it’s not a psyop, but to think viruses don’t exist seems ridiculous to me. There are entire professions and academic departments dedicated to virology. So you’re saying 1000’s of PhD scientists across the world are wrong? What is the Wuhan institute of virology about then?
Ok, perhaps I should look into this further
I gave three tell signs and reasons in the article: Dividing the dissident community (working) , distraction from more current and more dangerous topics (working) and discrediting the dissident movement in the eyes of the uninformed public - too far outside the Overton Window for most. It doesn't matter if your theory is true if the majority perceives it as false.
But , additionally, there is a deeper Psyop at work I will write about in my next article.
You asked a question about how this psyop serves the elites and I made some suggestions, and all you do is pick on words and ignore my points. Not wasting my time again on you.
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Who me?
You are totally entitled to your opinion, my friend. Shoot away. :-)
Yo, never read you before, but this article’s got my core,
It hit me deep, so I’m in, yeah, I’ll sign up for more,
I’ll sign up, I’ll sign up, I’ll sign up!
Thank you.
Go to my page…over 230 articles. I am in the process of creating a list of the most liked and the most controversial ones to make it easier for new readers. But it will take another week or so.
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A friend of mine recommended your piece, so I thought I'd check it out. Danged near didn't make it past the intro, though, as I visualized being stuck with such an inconsiderate, self-involved asshole for a neighbor. Since I respect the person who recommended, however, I carried on.
And I'm glad I did, as I largely agreed with your assessments. Not sure about the psyop angle - seems to me more like an organic movement in response to years of scientific lies - but the fervency with which the 'No Viruses' advocates pursue their theories is a serious red-flag. As I am like you, and genuinely do not care whatever theory is real, said-fervency is extremely off-putting. I have no use for absolutists, of any stripe, especially when they 'preach' at others.
So thanks for a solid work. Happy I read it... and happy you live no where near me 😁
LoL
Are you American? Have you heard of the term “taking the piss”?
It’s English, I think. It is also called sarcasm or dark humor. I noticed in the past that many people don’t get it, especially Americans. It is a parody making fun of the boring life of suburban old Australians. I get along all right with my neighbors. Just recently did first aid and called an ambulance when one had an accident.
Nothing in the story about my neighbors ever happened. It is made up, except for the rap music, of course.
The same happened when I wrote this piece. Many Americans took it literally and believed every word in it.
https://markusmutscheller.substack.com/p/german-expert-ranks-hitler-salutes?r=14es53
Fair enough, apologies for misreading it. While I'm usually pretty good at catching humor, it escaped me here since the rest of the piece seemed grounded in a more serious discussion. Thanks for the clarification.
No need to apologize. It’s the writer’s fault if the message doesn’t land. And I am a repeat offender. I have to work on that.
I think the virus deniers are not homogenous. For me personally I'm just really interested in Jamie Andrews work. It's just another avenue of inquiry that helps feed into my larger understanding. And that larger understanding involves seeing patterns and doing my best to see what they mean. A pattern I see is often these narratives around invisible Monsters that engender fear. carbon in the atmosphere, invisible biological attackers, AI singularity, nuclear winter, mutually assured destruction, aliens, pole shift etc.
I don't feel like I'm personally being culty but I'm ok with being amongst others labelled as such and often really like your vibe Mr Nobody.
Also I'm a rapper so there's that.
https://open.substack.com/pub/thumbnailgreen/p/watch-list-video?r=nv8me&utm_medium=ios
https://open.substack.com/pub/thumbnailgreen/p/epsteins-cell?r=nv8me&utm_medium=ios
Yep, I totally agree, the argument is so fringe and beyond the accessibility of most of us.
It only serves to divide the dissenting resisters who must band together, wake people up and take down the swiftly rising technocratic ideologues.
I have totally doubted most things in which I now believe. It’s just the way researching and learning goes.
It wouldn’t surprise me there aren’t viruses but there are bigger points to focus on, like DARPER pet projects, the WHO’s IHR amendments, mRNA’s broad acceptance, governmental nudging as being socially acceptable, Palestinian genocide being normalised and so on.
Let’s rise up and claim our freedoms back!
Thanks for your article!
Great to hear that many people get it and are on board with what matters rather than being distracted. Thank you.
We must band together. To do so, we must have the truth in our hands, and attack the core issue together. The core issue being there's no proof of viruses nor of contagion, and that's what we need to unite around.
You’re missing the point mate. The point is that either way, the enemy is the same. It’s us, the people verse the technocratic cabal and their henchmen.
Let’s keep it that simple - splitting hairs causes fractures, the factions. Divided, then conquered.
Stay on task. Their goal is DIGITAL ID and CBDC and the internet of everything (bio-interconnectivity - ie connecting humans to internet via nanotechnology.
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The splitting hairs refered to beliefs within the dissident community, ie it’s not worth doing if it’s turning us against one another.
How the fuck did you leap from my wanting not to divide us as a dissident collective to me not remembering the absolute tyranny from 2020-present!
You’re a fucking trouble maker and the case-in-point from the original article.
And you still haven’t provided any evidence for your apparent ‘easy to prove’ theory.
Even Mike Yeadon doesn’t proselytise the way most ‘no virus-ers’ do. He has his evidence and understanding and leaves it there when sharing broadly.
Go back and read the article’s title.
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Clearly it’s a public forum, however you didn’t bother to contextualise the broader discussion before inserting yourself into it, with random unrelated aspects.
And, again, clearly I’ve heard of more than one pandemic, but you referred to them related to tyrannies; in this regard, no, I haven’t heard of pandemics relating to tyrannies, beyond COVID.
Read the whole thread before you comment…that’s just lazy.
There is no presumption of authority, you have just joined someone else’s conversation loaded with uninformed assumptions.
And pandemics - plural?
Please direct me to this evidence, so I can read it. Thanks.
Let me be more specific about what I mean by fringe, which, upon reflection, isn’t exactly what I mean.
The argument for no virus is so fringe because it is so scientifically technical that it is beyond the accessibility of most of us.
If one is a scientist, chase that idea down to the nth degree, but the vast majority of us won’t have the qualifications or capacities to distinguish whether it is true or not.
Take Mike Yeadon, for eg, how many decades was he an expert in the industry, and he is only now coming to understand this? Shows it’s extraordinary technical.
“ Accepting and endorsing the notion of 'viruses' and 'viral pandemics' is not dissenting.” You simply reinforcesd my point with this comment: I am not a dissenter because I don’t follow your dogmatic position!
As the author and Laptova stated, it gets cult-like and only serves to divide.
Keep your conviction sheethed and run with us, not against us.
Firstly, my initial reply - congruent with the author’s - stated that viruses may not be real, but the subject is becoming divisive from those who are from the ‘no virus’ camp - you continue to reinforce this point.
Secondly, You haven’t showed any evident, just referred to wiping snot on people as a methodology to test it, which doesn’t account for the variables not least immunological differences. You may be correct, viruses may be a social construction, but you’ve only stated this with no science. So, point me to a clear double-blinded test with sufficient volunteers that proves this.
I’m not dogmatic, I’m suggesting that ‘no virus-ers’ shouldn’t make this the defining point of resisting the technocrats. That those who don’t adhere to it are heresies or ‘are not dissidents’ as that’s a dogmatic, cult-like stance.
If it’s true, great, soldier on knowing it is, sharing this ‘simple truth’ with the associated evidence, but stop picking fights with fellow dissenters!
The virus-no virus subject is important! But it is more pertinent to coalesce around what we are united on.
Somewhere around the end of 2021 I "caught" something that resulted in entire body chills, slight sinus congestion and a total loss of smell and taste. I was never tested, refused all PCR nasal swabs and never wore a mask. I remained unvaccinated throughout and staunchly against the lockdown nonsense. However, something that had affected my wife just days earlier was soon my shared experience. We both lost our sense of taste and smell for a couple of weeks (something that neither of us had previously experienced), and around the same time were also notified by a few others in our friendship circle that they, too, had experienced, or were currently experiencing the exact same phenomenon of symptoms: various levels of a flu-like condition with a total loss of taste and smell. We had all been in contact with one another at a recent anti-lockdown protest. All these friends had remained unvaccinated throughout. The "no virus" proponents will preach that we were merely synchronising the cleansing of our bodies from toxicity (due to our terrain being impaired) by some triggered unexplained mechanism, and that neither of us actually "caught" anything, nor actually transferred something to anyone else —and that contagion is not real. Lived experience suggests otherwise. The truth is likely somewhere between Germ Theory and Terrain Theory, with the current paradigm of virology being incomplete and perhaps lacking an electromagnetic/ energetic component to what actually constitutes a viral transmission.
I really appreciate your article. Thank you.
I wrote a detailed chain of events of how the Covid virus went from a man at my husband's work to my husband and through my immediate family and friends to their immediate family and friends. I also had my antibodies tested and later my memory T-cells because I thought that natural immunity would allow me to continue working for the NFL without the jab. Mike Yeadon jumped through hoops in his mind to say that my scenario still fits the no virus paradigm.
I get that not everyone gets sick if they spend time with an infected person. I spent an entire weekend with a woman who was my partner in a massage class who later found out that her fatigue all weekend was due to being sick with Covid and I never became ill. But, when my husband came home after being exposed, even though I didn't think either one of us would get sick, we both did. We weren't very sick, mostly tired. About three days in, when we thought we should be bouncing back, is when the neurological symptoms showed up: loss of smell, depression and a feeling of separation from the world. Then after I felt like I was ready to go back to work, the POTS symptoms started along with tingling in my hands and legs. These are recognized as long Covid symptoms. (I was never jabbed). Then I got shingles. I cleared it all up with natural remedies and valtrex but it was certainly not placebo as some people claim. My experience is very consistent with a novel virus exposure.
The no virus camp allows for gain of function research to continue. I lived near Fort Detrick and knew people who worked there (some were my biology and chemistry professors). There was a street nearby where an unusually high number of children developed leukemia and adults developed cancer. It was called, "cancer row." The smoke stacks burned periodically due to burning the monkeys they infected. Everyone in the community knew Lyme disease was created there. There were a lot of horror stories about that place. My professor told us that some were true, some were not but he couldn't tell us which ones. The psychopaths must be stopped at every level, including the gain of function experiments.
love your writing and would love you as my neighbour!
i work in a healthcare field. someone came to work sick recently. now we are all taking turns being sick and having time off.
yes virus’ still exist. we weren’t all 5G’d. none of us have taken jabs.
how about we all go back to looking after our OWN personal health, addressing our diet and lifestyle, avoiding all the unnecessary prescriptions our docs like handing out like candy now and do away with the cult-like “beliefs” and yelling at each other like children and address THE REAL ISSUES (and if virus exist or doesn’t is not one of them).
we have a totally corrupt medical system, banking system, social system…. yet we are wasting time debating on social media if viruses are real or not.
you are correct for calling it a distraction
I see someone took the vaxx
Ten shots and counting. I rode about it in great detail in my early articles. This inspired me to become a Substack writer: To heavily promote the mRNA vaccines. So grateful to have readers like you that do their homework and know everything about the author they read.
This is literally the gayest shit I've ever read.
Then you haven’t read my other shit, brother. It is even more gay. Welcome in the gay club. ;-)