The "no virus" argument, at least for me, is purely intellectual. I'll still get sick. But it is interesting. There does appear to be a gaping hole in virology - never having proven the actual basis for the entire field of study. It is fundamental and could perhaps be used as a weapon against Big Pharma - if wield in the right way. I too have trouble with contagion. It seems intuitively true.
Ask the ‘ no virus’ lot if they’d like to demonstrate their theory by agreeing to be bitten by a rabid dog, or maybe sleep with a herpes infected person. Also, haven’t they heard of immunology where everyone has a slightly different immune system so that we’re not all susceptible to every bug the same, otherwise mankind would have died off years ago.
Just as bad as the ‘we must all agree that there are no viruses so we can prove no need for Big Pharma’ is the lot that says ‘ there was no new sarscov2 virus, it was just the usual flus and colds and mismanagement and so we can defeat all the arguments for needing pandemic policy because there was no new lab made virus’ lot.
To clarify, I think viruses are real, I think sarscov2 was made in a lab ( probably by Americans and released in Wuhan by whoever), I think it’s a nasty virus that did severely affect some and kill others, but also that probably the majority of deaths were due to mismanagement and under/over treatment with the wrong treatments ( some policies seeming to be deliberate in this way). And the numbers were fudged to make it seem it worse than it was.
I had a series of questions for them that only one dared to answer. Though I omitted the "have sex with the dirtiest crack whore you can find without a condom" challenge:
"Team ‘No Virus’ aka ‘Terrain Theorists”
Please answer following questions:
Do you wash your hands after you use the bathroom?
If so, why?
Do you cook your meats before consuming?
If so, why?
Would you allow another person who DID NOT wash their hands after using the bathroom to prepare your food?
If not, why?
Would you allow a surgeon to perform an operation on you - without ‘scrubbing’ or sterilizing the instruments to be used on you?
And why should washing your hands and maintaining other hygiene habits have to be linked to contagious pathogens? Do you believe that your dirty hands are ONLY covered with pathogens and NOTHING ELSE? Take the "going to the bathroom" thing - you're obviously there to expel something your body decided is unneeded and possibly even toxic. That's why is was wrapped in a "package" by your digestive system and removed from your body. Obviously taking that substance back into your body is likely to disturb your natural chemical balance and possibly make you sick (i.e. your body working overtime to expel the junk it already did before you reintroduced it back in with your dirty hands). None of this requires the presence of disease causing pathogens. Its not even a hard thing to grasp. You can dip your hands in a bucket of paint and then have a breakfast without washing them - I bet that will probably make you ill. Does this mean the paint contains viruses or bacteria?
I wash my hands after a visit to the bathroom because I don't like the smell of shit on them and because bacteria is by far the least of the problem. If it was a problem, that same bacteria would have been a problem while inside your body too. But it's not only not a problem, it is actually your friend (otherwise you wouldn't be digesting anything).
I cook the meat before consuming because it tastes way better than raw. And yes, I know that because I've eaten raw meat ... and raw eggs ... and raw fish ...(and nothing whatsoever happened to me). Furthermore, our digestive system no longer has the high acidity of our prehistoric ancestors and regular consumption of raw meat can overwhelm it. Not to mention that raw meat contains toxins associated with the decaying matter, which ARE in fact the real issue, not the bacteria which releases said toxins.
I wouldn't allow another person who didn't wash their hands after visit to the bathroom to prepare my food because I don't like my food to taste like sh*t. And you are very optimistic if you go to a restaurant and think everyone in the kitchen always washes their hands after a visit to the bathroom. Unfortunately, this is not a question of me allowing that or not.
And I can't see how I may stop a surgeon operating on me with unsterilised instruments when I'm sedated, but I'd imagine that introducing non-native bacteria or fungi inside a vulnerable part of my body, where the cells are already stressed to the limit by the procedure, isn't very conducive to a good outcome. There's a reason we have a skin, and that is to prevent foreign substances entering the internal biome which is a delicate balance of organic and non-organic matter. Just one of the main reasons why subcutaneous vaccines are such a bad idea - bypassing the main protective organ of the body.
They don't need to do any of your ridiculous forfeits to prove anything as the so called 'contagion theory' has been scientifically tested on numerous occasions and failed each time ...
To repeatedly test a proposed theory under laboratory conditions and repeatedly achieve the same results- without exception is how proof determines the final conclusions ?
A theory tried and tried yet unproven , then by logic becomes .... a theory that is wrong.
It's so simple kind of like those agreeing to the topic of this thread .
Some people are still confused about what contagion means. The entities commonly associated with various disease symptoms move between us all the time… bacteria, spores, fungi, parasites, viruses, whatever. The “things” are contagious, but the symptoms are not contagious. So, you’re right… we don’t catch cold symptoms. Whether or not people believe those things exist, we will find genetic material or parts of them pretty much anywhere, including people who are sick, and people who are not. Therein lies the confusion.
Thank you for clarifying this. Yes, I don’t start sneezing because my wife starts sneezing. I don’t catch “the sneezing.” I catch what causes the sneezing from my wife—the pathogens, viruses, or whatever causes it—and if my terrain is compromised, I might develop similar symptoms like sneezing, etc. Dr. Yeadon implies that having a compromised terrain is causing the symptoms. Funny how the terrain of thousands of people in one place is suddenly equally compromised. When the first Western explorer landed in the Americas or Hawaii, three ships wouldn’t have changed the whole terrain of the area. They brought pathogens with them, which spread and caused disease and death to areas the explorer never visited. No terrain changed in those areas. pathogens spread.
This is the best description for gaslighting that I’ve seen.
Thank-you
“Gaslighting is a psychological
manipulation tactic in which one person seeks to make another doubt their perceptions, memories, or reality.”
It’s all about feeding the T cells and keeping your immune system healthy.
Vitamin D from the sun
Vitamins and minerals
My question is (to myself)
Before I got sick twice in rapid succession, back in November 2019, and thinking to myself, this is a very strange illness, before this happened, I would get sick at least twice per year.
Well
I haven’t been sick since this November 2019 double whammy illness.
What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger…it was mild and dissipated in a couple days, both times.
If we had all just listened to what
Prof. Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi tried to teach us,
Auto immune attack by killer T cell lymphocytes,
And then looked at
Prof. Dr. Arne Burkhart work that Proved this
“Lymphocyte Amuck”
“Lymphocyte infiltration”
Case closed
And
We would be done with all of this.
Chlorine dioxide is great!
I gargle every couple days or so
Nitric oxide even better!
Dr. Phillip McMillan
“Humming heroes”
I think I have more to say, but need to reread your article
It’s actually shocking… I just saw this happen to dr Phil McMillan on linklin, try to school as if they know best.act like they are the scholars, scholars of their own clown show.
Thank you! I've written many of these same points to Mike Yeadon in bits on his substack. His argument that experiments have been done where sick people are put in a room to observe who gets sick and that the control group had the same number of colds is just crappy science. Gaslighting is the perfect description of what he's doing. Sorry, but we've all have had experiences if "catching ' a cold when our nutrition or sleep was poor or our stress was high but not catching it when we had those things optimized. Some of us have had the experience of quickly reversing a cold when we took extra nutrients or herbs that are known to improve our defenses. His gaslighting weakens that movement of getting back to natural remedies and healing.
Didn't want to write a book. It's crappy science because of the confounding variables. The scientists would need to control for stress levels, nutritional status, viral load, etc. For the control group, they would need to isolate them for the duration of potential infection from previous exposure and then put them in a controlled and clean environment. That's a few examples
OK, I haven't read said studies so can't comment. But here's the thing - the positive claim being made is the "contagion is real". Is there a single study, properly designed and controlled, which actually shows this claim to be true? If there isn't, then how can we know that contagion is true? Assuming it is true because you see people get sick together is a form of belief, not knowledge.
Studies are not the only way to know truth. Lived experience is valid. I've read thousands of studies and have ability to critique them. There is more garbage then great studies. I don't need a study to tell me what is or is not true in many instances. Anyone who does has made science into a religion
I would go further than that. All materialistic, scientific truth is transient and ever changing and relative. Lived experience is all that is needed to survive and thrive. The evidence is in the human race itself. How did we survive 300.000 years without science?
There is no evidence that anything true, my friend. Scientific evidence is a myth. Our minds are dualistically wired. Everything is defined by it’s opposite. Hot vs cold, high vs low etc. In such a framework the absolute truth you are seeking is an illusion. That’s why all of so called “objective” science is a myth. There is no absolute truth. All truth in the materialistic world is transient and ever-changing. Truth is defined by those in power. That’s all. The only absolute truth you get is through spirituality.
I agree. I was initially impressed but find the outputs so bland and lifeless and so boring to read. I find it still useful to quickly find neutral historical information. It saves me time googling it. But it is highly biased towards “authority opinion” and “AI owner ideology” and useless for opinion or deeper meaning.
Now that I’m back to google, sometimes, it just gives you alittle bit, then it says
Something like
Continue with AI
NO!
I don’t want to continue with AI, I want to keep scrolling all by myself and search on my own what I am looking for, but, the page sometimes ends, no more scrolling,
Just the AI message.
So, telling us, instead of us looking for ourselves.
Exactly. That’s the end goal. AI as the ultimate authority in all things. Controlled by a handful of technocrats. I wrote several articles on that, but not much uptake so far.
Seems like everyone is fascinated with the brain injuries,in others, maybe might want to look at the damage AI is causing, as that also involves the brain as well.
Been googling for a couple hours…
I noticed paragraphs showing up to answer my questions, where did this come from?
Click on the three dots in the upper right hand corner of the information, a big square shows up saying,
this information is gathered from AI.
I’ve not clicked on that AI button in google, but,it’s giving me AI information anyways.
Chess game that I was given checkers to play with.
This was like one of those endless infomercials. “But wait, let me say it 10 more times”. However Viruses don’t exist. Morphogenic fields do. Contagion is a word, it’s not in itself proven to be any mechanism anyone has solid proof of.
“Viruses don’t ”exist”—excellent evidence and reasoning. Despite being endless, it seems it wasn’t long enough because you didn’t get much of what I said. Typical cultish tribe behavior. Anything that threatens the cognitive dissonance will get blocked out by “belief” arguments.
Touched a nerve ? Why all the hidden anger / passive aggression? Let’s keep it together or you just create bad vibes. Have a look into your heart and see why you’re so angry.
I'm well aware of the skepticism of Mike Yeadon that took root over the last year or so. But he is far from the only scientist who claims there are no quality studies that prove contagion exists. I've been open to the idea for decades, because going back to my 20s my common cold symptoms were triggered by changes in the barometric pressure and humidity. Always. Made me think. And it's fascinating to hear this debate 40 years later.
The idea is that people may come down with similar symptoms when they are in close proximity with others, but that doesn't necessarily mean that germs have traveled from one person to another. They may simply be reacting similarly to environmental factors.
As I said in my article, and as Terrain Theory states, it is both. Certain changes in the environment make us more vulnerable to pathogen attacks. That’s why flu pandemics happen in winter. Nobody doubts that. So your observation is right. But it doesn’t imply there are no pathogens moving in or dormant ones getting activated. If we watch nature, probably both. Life feeds on life. Every living organism is under constant attack from other living organisms.
"And that’s where the “no virus experts” suddenly look very stupid"
Why? People who don't believe viruses exist don't claim to know what causes the (perceived) cold contagion. What they know, they state in plain English - all attempts to transfer cold from one subject to another via the alleged virus pathogens have failed. So we can safely say that whatever it is that causes the cold, it is surely not a virus.
I found numerous studies that claim to prove contagion. I thought I listed them in this article, but maybe it was another one I wrote. Anyway, any AI query will list you research that claims contagion.
Scientific studies don’t prove anything. Either way. People pick the ones that suit their theory.
Nevertheless. I don’t mind at all what you believe. You might be wright, who knows. I believe what I believe. I might be right, who knows?
This is a useless timewasting discussion and it’s the fanatic part of the no virus crowd that started it for some activist political reason.
You see, the AI will give you a list of studies which *claim* contagion. It doesn't mean they *prove* contagion. I take it you haven't actually read those studies. Because only when you read them carefully, paying close attention to their methods, you may discover that "claim" is all they do.
I've read a number of such studies. Mostly they deal with epidemiological concerns. Epidemiology is a statistical discipline, not natural science. It doesn't in itself prove what exactly causes the perceived transmission of disease.
The more foreign objects implanted or injected into our body causes disease as they hog immune resources. I’ve never had implants cause virus symptoms though, they are a separate entity and not part of the disease process that causes chronic illness and early death. I’ve had many instances of chronic illness and neurotoxicity and they all started after a foreign object was put in my body. This made it easy to reverse by simply removing the foreign object, whether it be a dental filling, orthopaedic implant, or an injection like a vaccine. It’s the disease process that is the biggest risk of disease and early death. Antigens are the cause of the disease process, cancer, and premature aging, and it is easily reversed by freeing up immune resources that are fighting things the body doesn’t see as “self”
We’ve all witnessed contagion through life but it’s cause is external in nature(a pathogen), while the human disease process that leads to death is mainly internal, like dental work, implants, surgical clips, vaccines and metal pollution mainly. A virus is a natural process. Chronic illness is man made, but luckily easily reversible.
Contagion is very real. My wife and I recently struggled with a hacking cough. Changing a dirty a/c filter quickly resolved the coughing. We just don’t know whether I caught dirty a/c filter from my wife or she caught it from me.
You make the same mistake as scientists often make: putting everything down to one-cause relationships. That’s not how the world works.
Everything affects everything. At any given time, there are many cause-and-effect relationships in place.
Firstly, there are many causes for a hacking cough, and in this case, the a/c filter looks like the main cause. It could also have weakened your internal terrain, allowing dormant pathogens and viruses to thrive in better conditions for them.
Massive shingles outbreaks since the Covid vaccines worldwide prove that dormant viruses (in this case, the chickenpox virus) can reactivate when the terrain (immune system) is weakened. No contagion involved.
Or some virus could have jumped from someone else. We will never know.
As I said in my article, putting everything on viruses is as stupid as saying no viruses or germs exist.
Your case neither proves nor disproves anything, viruses or no-viruses.
It’s a ‘belief,” as Dr. Yeadon honestly admitted.
Contagion itself, however, is not a belief nor science—it is an observable fact witnessed by billions of people over thousands of years. We don’t need to understand it or even have a theory about it to observe it.
Same with drowning. We don’t need to understand why exactly people die when underwater for too long. The fact is, they do.
This whole stupid discussion is not about science or facts.
It is a 100% political activist movement to create a new narrative in the illusion that it will stick and destroy purely virus-based pharma.
I want criminal pharma destroyed as much as the no-virus activists, but I don’t think countering a false pharma narrative with a false no-virus narrative is the right way to do it; that’s all.
Lies always backfire.
And I don’t like propaganda, no matter if it supports my belief system or not.
Only the truth will set us free, even if the truth is “I don’t know.”
We don’t can or need to know all the causes of something. That’s just theory. But we need to rightly observe the facts, because only facts matter.
Human papilloma virus causes warts. Are warts contagious? I lived on a sailboat for decades in the Caribbean and had warts on my hands. They went away after a few years in an inland state in the USA. I was not aware that any of my friends, family, or business associates caught warts from me.
Therefore I know that viruses exist and that they do not necessarily cause them to be transmitted to others. What do you say to this?
Same story with warts here. What is there to say? Some viruses and pathogens spread; others are dormant within us, as terrain theory seems to suggest. Maybe everyone has wart viruses; they just don’t have the optimal terrain for them to express themselves? Some viruses need a very specific terrain to cause symptoms. They are relatively rare in adults, much more common in young and old people. There is so much we don’t know and will never know scientifically. That’s why I rely on my common sense, traditions, old stories, intuition, and observations in nature and the real world. A tree doesn’t rot only because the terrain changed (got uprooted). There it is clearly visible—fungi, termites, and other pathogens that feed on compromised wood eat the tree. Why would it be any different with us?
The "no virus" argument, at least for me, is purely intellectual. I'll still get sick. But it is interesting. There does appear to be a gaping hole in virology - never having proven the actual basis for the entire field of study. It is fundamental and could perhaps be used as a weapon against Big Pharma - if wield in the right way. I too have trouble with contagion. It seems intuitively true.
Ask the ‘ no virus’ lot if they’d like to demonstrate their theory by agreeing to be bitten by a rabid dog, or maybe sleep with a herpes infected person. Also, haven’t they heard of immunology where everyone has a slightly different immune system so that we’re not all susceptible to every bug the same, otherwise mankind would have died off years ago.
Just as bad as the ‘we must all agree that there are no viruses so we can prove no need for Big Pharma’ is the lot that says ‘ there was no new sarscov2 virus, it was just the usual flus and colds and mismanagement and so we can defeat all the arguments for needing pandemic policy because there was no new lab made virus’ lot.
To clarify, I think viruses are real, I think sarscov2 was made in a lab ( probably by Americans and released in Wuhan by whoever), I think it’s a nasty virus that did severely affect some and kill others, but also that probably the majority of deaths were due to mismanagement and under/over treatment with the wrong treatments ( some policies seeming to be deliberate in this way). And the numbers were fudged to make it seem it worse than it was.
I had a series of questions for them that only one dared to answer. Though I omitted the "have sex with the dirtiest crack whore you can find without a condom" challenge:
"Team ‘No Virus’ aka ‘Terrain Theorists”
Please answer following questions:
Do you wash your hands after you use the bathroom?
If so, why?
Do you cook your meats before consuming?
If so, why?
Would you allow another person who DID NOT wash their hands after using the bathroom to prepare your food?
If not, why?
Would you allow a surgeon to perform an operation on you - without ‘scrubbing’ or sterilizing the instruments to be used on you?
If not, why???"
And why should washing your hands and maintaining other hygiene habits have to be linked to contagious pathogens? Do you believe that your dirty hands are ONLY covered with pathogens and NOTHING ELSE? Take the "going to the bathroom" thing - you're obviously there to expel something your body decided is unneeded and possibly even toxic. That's why is was wrapped in a "package" by your digestive system and removed from your body. Obviously taking that substance back into your body is likely to disturb your natural chemical balance and possibly make you sick (i.e. your body working overtime to expel the junk it already did before you reintroduced it back in with your dirty hands). None of this requires the presence of disease causing pathogens. Its not even a hard thing to grasp. You can dip your hands in a bucket of paint and then have a breakfast without washing them - I bet that will probably make you ill. Does this mean the paint contains viruses or bacteria?
All that blabbering yet you failed to answer one question. Take a hike clown.
I wash my hands after a visit to the bathroom because I don't like the smell of shit on them and because bacteria is by far the least of the problem. If it was a problem, that same bacteria would have been a problem while inside your body too. But it's not only not a problem, it is actually your friend (otherwise you wouldn't be digesting anything).
I cook the meat before consuming because it tastes way better than raw. And yes, I know that because I've eaten raw meat ... and raw eggs ... and raw fish ...(and nothing whatsoever happened to me). Furthermore, our digestive system no longer has the high acidity of our prehistoric ancestors and regular consumption of raw meat can overwhelm it. Not to mention that raw meat contains toxins associated with the decaying matter, which ARE in fact the real issue, not the bacteria which releases said toxins.
I wouldn't allow another person who didn't wash their hands after visit to the bathroom to prepare my food because I don't like my food to taste like sh*t. And you are very optimistic if you go to a restaurant and think everyone in the kitchen always washes their hands after a visit to the bathroom. Unfortunately, this is not a question of me allowing that or not.
And I can't see how I may stop a surgeon operating on me with unsterilised instruments when I'm sedated, but I'd imagine that introducing non-native bacteria or fungi inside a vulnerable part of my body, where the cells are already stressed to the limit by the procedure, isn't very conducive to a good outcome. There's a reason we have a skin, and that is to prevent foreign substances entering the internal biome which is a delicate balance of organic and non-organic matter. Just one of the main reasons why subcutaneous vaccines are such a bad idea - bypassing the main protective organ of the body.
They don't need to do any of your ridiculous forfeits to prove anything as the so called 'contagion theory' has been scientifically tested on numerous occasions and failed each time ...
To repeatedly test a proposed theory under laboratory conditions and repeatedly achieve the same results- without exception is how proof determines the final conclusions ?
A theory tried and tried yet unproven , then by logic becomes .... a theory that is wrong.
It's so simple kind of like those agreeing to the topic of this thread .
Some people are still confused about what contagion means. The entities commonly associated with various disease symptoms move between us all the time… bacteria, spores, fungi, parasites, viruses, whatever. The “things” are contagious, but the symptoms are not contagious. So, you’re right… we don’t catch cold symptoms. Whether or not people believe those things exist, we will find genetic material or parts of them pretty much anywhere, including people who are sick, and people who are not. Therein lies the confusion.
Thank you for clarifying this. Yes, I don’t start sneezing because my wife starts sneezing. I don’t catch “the sneezing.” I catch what causes the sneezing from my wife—the pathogens, viruses, or whatever causes it—and if my terrain is compromised, I might develop similar symptoms like sneezing, etc. Dr. Yeadon implies that having a compromised terrain is causing the symptoms. Funny how the terrain of thousands of people in one place is suddenly equally compromised. When the first Western explorer landed in the Americas or Hawaii, three ships wouldn’t have changed the whole terrain of the area. They brought pathogens with them, which spread and caused disease and death to areas the explorer never visited. No terrain changed in those areas. pathogens spread.
Everybody, act cool!
DR. KEVIN STILLWAGON
is in the house!
We only have a few truth-tellers that spend time trying to teach us.
Dr. Kevin Stillwagon
is one of them.
Thank-you Dr. Kevin Stillwagon
Guys, please consider supporting the few we have that are
Truth-tellers
and not
Liars.
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Available on Amazon
“Carpet bombing of the endothelium”
“Russian Roulette”
Ask the experts you are following, if they can talk to you about,
Cytotoxic CD8+ T Killer Cell Lymphocytes
Prof. Dr. Sucharit Bhakdis books are NOT on usa Amazon.
Why would that be?
Why can’t I type his name on you tube without being censored?
Why do I now hear from two people, that might know, say they think Prof. Dr. Arne Burkhart was murdered, until proven other wise?
Hmm….
Why did they try to put Prof Dr Sucharit Bhakdi in jail?
Because
They are telling the truth
Some people had cross reactive immunity to other common cold coronaviruses, I think specifically HKU1 and OC43.
Thank-you again, Dr. Kevin Stillwagon
Hi being nobody going nowhere,
Thank-you for your common sense.
This is the best description for gaslighting that I’ve seen.
Thank-you
“Gaslighting is a psychological
manipulation tactic in which one person seeks to make another doubt their perceptions, memories, or reality.”
It’s all about feeding the T cells and keeping your immune system healthy.
Vitamin D from the sun
Vitamins and minerals
My question is (to myself)
Before I got sick twice in rapid succession, back in November 2019, and thinking to myself, this is a very strange illness, before this happened, I would get sick at least twice per year.
Well
I haven’t been sick since this November 2019 double whammy illness.
What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger…it was mild and dissipated in a couple days, both times.
If we had all just listened to what
Prof. Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi tried to teach us,
Auto immune attack by killer T cell lymphocytes,
And then looked at
Prof. Dr. Arne Burkhart work that Proved this
“Lymphocyte Amuck”
“Lymphocyte infiltration”
Case closed
And
We would be done with all of this.
Chlorine dioxide is great!
I gargle every couple days or so
Nitric oxide even better!
Dr. Phillip McMillan
“Humming heroes”
I think I have more to say, but need to reread your article
Thanks again.
Yes Cynthia gaslighting is a favorite tool of medical professionals.
It’s actually shocking… I just saw this happen to dr Phil McMillan on linklin, try to school as if they know best.act like they are the scholars, scholars of their own clown show.
Thank you! I've written many of these same points to Mike Yeadon in bits on his substack. His argument that experiments have been done where sick people are put in a room to observe who gets sick and that the control group had the same number of colds is just crappy science. Gaslighting is the perfect description of what he's doing. Sorry, but we've all have had experiences if "catching ' a cold when our nutrition or sleep was poor or our stress was high but not catching it when we had those things optimized. Some of us have had the experience of quickly reversing a cold when we took extra nutrients or herbs that are known to improve our defenses. His gaslighting weakens that movement of getting back to natural remedies and healing.
Well, you say its "crappy science" but you don't say why is it crappy science. Isn't that crappy argument?
Didn't want to write a book. It's crappy science because of the confounding variables. The scientists would need to control for stress levels, nutritional status, viral load, etc. For the control group, they would need to isolate them for the duration of potential infection from previous exposure and then put them in a controlled and clean environment. That's a few examples
OK, I haven't read said studies so can't comment. But here's the thing - the positive claim being made is the "contagion is real". Is there a single study, properly designed and controlled, which actually shows this claim to be true? If there isn't, then how can we know that contagion is true? Assuming it is true because you see people get sick together is a form of belief, not knowledge.
Studies are not the only way to know truth. Lived experience is valid. I've read thousands of studies and have ability to critique them. There is more garbage then great studies. I don't need a study to tell me what is or is not true in many instances. Anyone who does has made science into a religion
I would go further than that. All materialistic, scientific truth is transient and ever changing and relative. Lived experience is all that is needed to survive and thrive. The evidence is in the human race itself. How did we survive 300.000 years without science?
OK, maybe the word "study" is the wrong term. Let's reword - is there any evidence to suggest that contagion through pathogens is true?
There is no evidence that anything true, my friend. Scientific evidence is a myth. Our minds are dualistically wired. Everything is defined by it’s opposite. Hot vs cold, high vs low etc. In such a framework the absolute truth you are seeking is an illusion. That’s why all of so called “objective” science is a myth. There is no absolute truth. All truth in the materialistic world is transient and ever-changing. Truth is defined by those in power. That’s all. The only absolute truth you get is through spirituality.
“ I hate AI summaries,…”
I probably dislike chatgpt more than you.
Ken Wheeler has said
You are not doing your own thinking, you are letting chatgpt think for you and I’ve heard this from others as well.
I have completely stopped using it.
I see using it for fast results and throwing their bullshit back at them.
I can tell now, I think, most of the time when someone is using it.
Especially,
The gaslighters.
I agree. I was initially impressed but find the outputs so bland and lifeless and so boring to read. I find it still useful to quickly find neutral historical information. It saves me time googling it. But it is highly biased towards “authority opinion” and “AI owner ideology” and useless for opinion or deeper meaning.
Furthermore,
Now that I’m back to google, sometimes, it just gives you alittle bit, then it says
Something like
Continue with AI
NO!
I don’t want to continue with AI, I want to keep scrolling all by myself and search on my own what I am looking for, but, the page sometimes ends, no more scrolling,
Just the AI message.
So, telling us, instead of us looking for ourselves.
Exactly. That’s the end goal. AI as the ultimate authority in all things. Controlled by a handful of technocrats. I wrote several articles on that, but not much uptake so far.
Seems like everyone is fascinated with the brain injuries,in others, maybe might want to look at the damage AI is causing, as that also involves the brain as well.
Been googling for a couple hours…
I noticed paragraphs showing up to answer my questions, where did this come from?
Click on the three dots in the upper right hand corner of the information, a big square shows up saying,
this information is gathered from AI.
I’ve not clicked on that AI button in google, but,it’s giving me AI information anyways.
Chess game that I was given checkers to play with.
That’s just fine, I’ll double stack them.
Things are moving fast now.
Right, I miss putting in a term
It giving me a list,
I pick number off the list that most closely resembles what I am looking for, just keep going like that.
Fast and easy, maybe also comes with a price.
I do so very much appreciate you and your articles.
Thank-you.
Excellent post!
Agree with most of what you've written here.
I first heard "correlation does not mean causality" some 50 years ago in University Statistics.
However, if the correlation becomes so vast, common sense dictates causality.
My take...
This was like one of those endless infomercials. “But wait, let me say it 10 more times”. However Viruses don’t exist. Morphogenic fields do. Contagion is a word, it’s not in itself proven to be any mechanism anyone has solid proof of.
“Viruses don’t ”exist”—excellent evidence and reasoning. Despite being endless, it seems it wasn’t long enough because you didn’t get much of what I said. Typical cultish tribe behavior. Anything that threatens the cognitive dissonance will get blocked out by “belief” arguments.
Touched a nerve ? Why all the hidden anger / passive aggression? Let’s keep it together or you just create bad vibes. Have a look into your heart and see why you’re so angry.
Apologies. Belief what you like. We all do. No-one knows shit, really.
That's my conclusion as well!
I'm well aware of the skepticism of Mike Yeadon that took root over the last year or so. But he is far from the only scientist who claims there are no quality studies that prove contagion exists. I've been open to the idea for decades, because going back to my 20s my common cold symptoms were triggered by changes in the barometric pressure and humidity. Always. Made me think. And it's fascinating to hear this debate 40 years later.
The idea is that people may come down with similar symptoms when they are in close proximity with others, but that doesn't necessarily mean that germs have traveled from one person to another. They may simply be reacting similarly to environmental factors.
As I said in my article, and as Terrain Theory states, it is both. Certain changes in the environment make us more vulnerable to pathogen attacks. That’s why flu pandemics happen in winter. Nobody doubts that. So your observation is right. But it doesn’t imply there are no pathogens moving in or dormant ones getting activated. If we watch nature, probably both. Life feeds on life. Every living organism is under constant attack from other living organisms.
Could it also be that vaxs have been shedding their crap on others forever??? Even pet vaxs?
"And that’s where the “no virus experts” suddenly look very stupid"
Why? People who don't believe viruses exist don't claim to know what causes the (perceived) cold contagion. What they know, they state in plain English - all attempts to transfer cold from one subject to another via the alleged virus pathogens have failed. So we can safely say that whatever it is that causes the cold, it is surely not a virus.
I found numerous studies that claim to prove contagion. I thought I listed them in this article, but maybe it was another one I wrote. Anyway, any AI query will list you research that claims contagion.
Scientific studies don’t prove anything. Either way. People pick the ones that suit their theory.
Nevertheless. I don’t mind at all what you believe. You might be wright, who knows. I believe what I believe. I might be right, who knows?
This is a useless timewasting discussion and it’s the fanatic part of the no virus crowd that started it for some activist political reason.
You see, the AI will give you a list of studies which *claim* contagion. It doesn't mean they *prove* contagion. I take it you haven't actually read those studies. Because only when you read them carefully, paying close attention to their methods, you may discover that "claim" is all they do.
I've read a number of such studies. Mostly they deal with epidemiological concerns. Epidemiology is a statistical discipline, not natural science. It doesn't in itself prove what exactly causes the perceived transmission of disease.
The more foreign objects implanted or injected into our body causes disease as they hog immune resources. I’ve never had implants cause virus symptoms though, they are a separate entity and not part of the disease process that causes chronic illness and early death. I’ve had many instances of chronic illness and neurotoxicity and they all started after a foreign object was put in my body. This made it easy to reverse by simply removing the foreign object, whether it be a dental filling, orthopaedic implant, or an injection like a vaccine. It’s the disease process that is the biggest risk of disease and early death. Antigens are the cause of the disease process, cancer, and premature aging, and it is easily reversed by freeing up immune resources that are fighting things the body doesn’t see as “self”
We’ve all witnessed contagion through life but it’s cause is external in nature(a pathogen), while the human disease process that leads to death is mainly internal, like dental work, implants, surgical clips, vaccines and metal pollution mainly. A virus is a natural process. Chronic illness is man made, but luckily easily reversible.
https://healthcarenotmedicine.substack.com/p/how-to-trigger-the-human-disease
Contagion is very real. My wife and I recently struggled with a hacking cough. Changing a dirty a/c filter quickly resolved the coughing. We just don’t know whether I caught dirty a/c filter from my wife or she caught it from me.
You make the same mistake as scientists often make: putting everything down to one-cause relationships. That’s not how the world works.
Everything affects everything. At any given time, there are many cause-and-effect relationships in place.
Firstly, there are many causes for a hacking cough, and in this case, the a/c filter looks like the main cause. It could also have weakened your internal terrain, allowing dormant pathogens and viruses to thrive in better conditions for them.
Massive shingles outbreaks since the Covid vaccines worldwide prove that dormant viruses (in this case, the chickenpox virus) can reactivate when the terrain (immune system) is weakened. No contagion involved.
Or some virus could have jumped from someone else. We will never know.
As I said in my article, putting everything on viruses is as stupid as saying no viruses or germs exist.
Your case neither proves nor disproves anything, viruses or no-viruses.
It’s a ‘belief,” as Dr. Yeadon honestly admitted.
Contagion itself, however, is not a belief nor science—it is an observable fact witnessed by billions of people over thousands of years. We don’t need to understand it or even have a theory about it to observe it.
Same with drowning. We don’t need to understand why exactly people die when underwater for too long. The fact is, they do.
This whole stupid discussion is not about science or facts.
It is a 100% political activist movement to create a new narrative in the illusion that it will stick and destroy purely virus-based pharma.
I want criminal pharma destroyed as much as the no-virus activists, but I don’t think countering a false pharma narrative with a false no-virus narrative is the right way to do it; that’s all.
Lies always backfire.
And I don’t like propaganda, no matter if it supports my belief system or not.
Only the truth will set us free, even if the truth is “I don’t know.”
We don’t can or need to know all the causes of something. That’s just theory. But we need to rightly observe the facts, because only facts matter.
Well, d’uh!
Fresh air
Human papilloma virus causes warts. Are warts contagious? I lived on a sailboat for decades in the Caribbean and had warts on my hands. They went away after a few years in an inland state in the USA. I was not aware that any of my friends, family, or business associates caught warts from me.
Therefore I know that viruses exist and that they do not necessarily cause them to be transmitted to others. What do you say to this?
Same story with warts here. What is there to say? Some viruses and pathogens spread; others are dormant within us, as terrain theory seems to suggest. Maybe everyone has wart viruses; they just don’t have the optimal terrain for them to express themselves? Some viruses need a very specific terrain to cause symptoms. They are relatively rare in adults, much more common in young and old people. There is so much we don’t know and will never know scientifically. That’s why I rely on my common sense, traditions, old stories, intuition, and observations in nature and the real world. A tree doesn’t rot only because the terrain changed (got uprooted). There it is clearly visible—fungi, termites, and other pathogens that feed on compromised wood eat the tree. Why would it be any different with us?