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Related to my recent substack, Benefits and Risks of Drugs, Mind Medicine Australia offers a free Webinar (voluntary donations) titled "Plants of the Gods."

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Maximillian O Farrell's avatar

"For most of human history oracles, shamans, healers, midwives and some times high priests used them expertly to the great benefit of the community".....

Is that why they were called "high" priests?

Great article. As Keith Richards once said ..."I haven't a drug problem, I have a police problem".

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Antipodes's avatar

As for fine food, wine and cigars, everything in moderation.

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Greg Eldefonso's avatar

Lay a whisper on my pillow

Leave the winter on the ground

I wake up lonely, there's air of silence

In the bedroom and all around

Touch me now, I close my eyes and dream away

It must have been love but it's over now

It must have been good but I lost it somehow

It must have been love but it's over now

From the moment we touched, 'til the time had run out

Make-believing we're together

That I'm sheltered by your heart

But in and outside I've turned to water

Like a teardrop in your palm

And it's a hard winter's day, I dream away

It must have been love but it's over now

It was all that I wanted, now I'm living without

It must have been love but it's over now

It's where the water flows, it's where the wind blows

It must have been love but it's over now

It must have been good but I lost it somehow

It must have been love but it's over now

From the moment we touched, 'til the time had run out

Yeah, it must have been love but it's over now

It was all that I wanted, now I'm living without

It must have been love but it's over now

It's where the water flows, it's where the wind blows

(Must have been love but it's over now)

(Must have been love but it's over now)

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SD's avatar

Feel free to explain those points to my drug addled nephew, the one who steals off his family to chase an opiate addiction caused by stupid doctors prescribing him anti depressants when what he needed was a job and direction. Explain he should only mix Ocycontin cones like someone else noted, "In moderation" really. Explain that he should not drive 250km's collapse behind the wheel and when the lone country town copper opens the car door to check he has not choked on his own vomit, he should not snap out of his addicted stupor and beat the poor bastard into a hospital bed. I don't hate all drugs. I take issue with those who push the line they are ok.

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Being Nobody, Going Nowhere's avatar

Yes, that's a sad and criminal story when people get exposed to addictive drugs without being fully informed about the consequences. There is a good Netflix docu about how opiates were pushed by pharma in America and how it killed many people.

This, of course, has nothing to do with the intentional guided and safe use of drugs.

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CocotteMinute's avatar

Great post, disturbing, challenging, questioning... !

A hidden window opened to the Universe...

But how to find a wise ”counselor” ?

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Being Nobody, Going Nowhere's avatar

I know. I didn't have one either. But I had a solid background in awareness based therapy. mediatation and non-identification with phenemona was my daily practise. Nothing is more important when on psychedelics without a guide then to not fully identify with the experience.

If you lose the witness, it can take you to heaven and hell.

Still, I didn't want to risk it.

I read all the safety protocls from MAPS and always obeyed by them and there was one occassion were they saved me from a bad trip.

I waited, trusting that if it's meant to be it will happen one way or another. A guide might come at the right time or not.

Never take drugs when not completly free from inner doubts or fears. They can very easily bite you in the bum.

The guide came in an unusal way by a little booklet from James Fadiman giving precise instructions and encouragment to self-guidance.

That worked well for a few years and maybe three to four dozens of psychedelic trips with different substances and different combination of substances. The instructions of when to do another trip, what to use, dosage etc. never came from my mind. They always came sponatenously from somewhere deeper and I completly trusted it.

It could be months not even thinking about psychedelics. And then I would wake up one morning and the instructions came. I always happened in the morning.

Apart from that, there was no logic pattern to it. Sometimes the instuctions came rapidly and frequently, then, out of the blue there could be a gap of up to a year between trips. I let the sub-conscious take charge of it.

Saying this, I feel I came to a point were I reached the limits of self-guidance. To go any deeper it felt I needed a very trusted guide which I don't have. So I stopped. Once again, I turst the process. A guide might appear or not and both is ok.

I feel there is one universal rule for using substances: Never let the mind, never let the ego get hold of it. That's were addiction starts. It is a disease of the ego, of the mind.

That's why spiritual maturity and ego-awareness is so important for safe drug taking. In the olden days, the shamans would assess if you are ready. Nowadays it is more tricky.

The motivation is also crucial. Most drug takers, even long-term experiencend ones, look for highs. You can hear the desire flaring up in their tone and eyes.

The purpose of spiritual drug taking, in my opinion, is not to get high. That's just a side-effect, sometimes even unpeasant for me, especially with marijuana. The highs can dominate and overshadow the more subtle deeper teachings.

As a result, over the years, my dosages of all drugs got smaller and smaller and smaller. At one stage, I vaped a marijuana/damiana mix for several years almost daily. It was a nightly ritual.

Most people say that your tolerance goes up and up if you take drugs daily. That is only true when you are looking for highs. That's a mind and ego thing. A greed thing.

My tolerance stayed the same - I never ever saw the need to take anymore - for years.

That's why I insist that it is not the drug the causes the harm. It is the ego-based desire for a pleasurable high that causes the addictions and increase of use and the damage to the body that can't eliminate it anymore.

Saying this, I don't mean to judge people looking for highs. There is nothing wrong with getting high and having a good time occassionaly. But this is not the same than having deep spiritual trips.

If you look for highs, you will alwyas get lows too, bad trips. The expectation of a high ruins it. Reality is not interested in our expectations.

My approach was to prepare myself to a very humble state with no expectations whatsoever. I set intentions, humbly asked for insights but with no expectatin to have them full-filled. Set and setting is talked about a lot, but who really takes them seriouslly?

They are extremly imporatant if you want spiritual trips. You won't have a spiritual trip hanging out with mates and tv running. Or at a concert. You can have amazing sensual experiences, no doubt. But having more amazing extraordinary experiences is not spiritual, in my understanding. I used to believe that. Spiritual trips make you aware of illusions and pop them.

That's all.

That's why heroin is so powerful - It is probably the most spiritual drug there is. Not because of amazing experiences. But because of the distance to all experience it provides. But that's a complicated topic for another day.

The trip itself was done in still awareness and openess and accaptance of whatever will happen. I was both, a coomplex entity journeying in a rich experiental matrix but not lost or identyfied with it because of this everpresent still presence watching it.

I hope this is helpful.

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CocotteMinute's avatar

Thanks a lot for sharing your course, and for your words full of wisdom and inner freedom.

Even if I’m not seeking nor ”highs” nor ”knocks out”, I admit I’m scared of ”losing control” (which is an illusion, bien entendu ! 😉 )

Wait and see and what must come will come.

But I’m grateful for this little light, lit in a corner of my head ... 🙏

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Being Nobody, Going Nowhere's avatar

I was the same. I read "Maps of the unconsciouss" by Stanislav Grof more than 20 years ago. I was fascinated by this early LSD research and wanted to try it, but it happened only a few dacades later. And I am grateful for it because the added maturity was crucial and needed.

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CocotteMinute's avatar

Thanks for the ref, I’ll try to find it !

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JC's avatar

Hey MaMu! Thank you!

As someone who navigates shamanic practices with others - I have a semantics beef.

For those of us who have been damaged by pharmaceuticals - we call them "drugs." We do not call pharma products "medicine" or "meds."

For healing, we call those substances, "medicine." We do not call them "drugs," and, in fact, the Medicine has a Spirit which needs to be honoured. (I've never met the Spirit of MDMA, but - that hasn't precluded excellent expansions).

When you call these sacred Spirits, "drugs," even when they are chemically compounded, you are buying into the very propaganda you decry. Words have power.

Apart from that, agree totally. Once that door has been open, a pathway is forged. If you want to be technical, you could call it a Connectome. If you want to be spiritual, you could call it - a realm (McKenna often did). Even if the door slams shut after the experience, just the knowledge of what was behind that door is still an opening.

A little about my background (please note, this site was written to gentlewomen in my yoga class, so much of the depth and language is for them): https://shamanexplorations.com/shamans-blog/ (likely about 20 mins of reading for the entire blog)

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Being Nobody, Going Nowhere's avatar

I let Nisargadatta reply to your "semantic beef" :-)

Q: You seem to favour the dream theory.

M: These are all ways of putting words together. Some favour one way, some favour another.

Theories are neither right nor wrong. They are attempts at explaining the inexplicable. It is not the theory that matters, but the way it is being tested. It is the testing of the theory that makes it fruitful. Experiment with any theory you like -- if you are truly earnest and honest, the attainment of reality will be yours. As a living being you are caught in an untenable and painful situation and you are seeking a way out. You are being offered several plans of your prison, none quite true. But they all are of some value, only if you are in dead earnest. It is the earnestness that liberates and not the theory.

I am aware of the natural vs pharmaceutical discussion but it doesn't bother me at all. To me they are all drugs, or more simply "molecules" with certain aspects and powers and side-effects. I did observe that chemical compounds are harsher on my body than natural products and if I had a choice, I would alwyas use natural.

But sometimes, I deliberatly use chemicals over natural because it has other advantages that outweigh the harshness of them.

For example, I prefer LSD over mushrooms simply because - out of unknown reasons - correct dosing is very important for me. Correctly dosing mushrooms is impossible. Maybe one day I will develop the trust and intutition for mushrooms but it is not there yet so I go with what works.

I recently accidently discoverd and used a very toxic drug for a while because it felt very beneficial. It will probably shock you.

I was renovating my swimming pool and it required to fibreglass it a lot, for weeks. Despite wearing a mask, it was unavoidable to inhale the fumes of the chemical resin and it lifted my mood significantly.

Pretty soon I found the sweetspot - about 2 hours of work. More than that and I would feel the toxity. But up to two hours I didn't notice any side-effects at all.

Saying this, I constantly detox with coffee enemas - about 3 to 5 per week. This takes any chemical and toxins out of my body. I also deliberatly sweat a lot. And I spend a lot of time in water treated with hydrogene peroxide and ozone - beautful oxidizers.

Interestingly, very soon I developed this immense graving for milk. I hardly drink any milk. Maybe a cup per week. But while I was inhaling these fumes, my body just wanted milk. Lots of it. From almost no milk I went to drinking two to three liters per day. For weeks. And I felt fantastic. Energized, healthy - sniffing glue for two hours every day for months.

This higher energy level prevailed after I finished the job and months later, it is still there. There was no coming down whatsoever from the chemicals. As soon the job ended, I totally forgot about them.

That's how I roll - totally distrusting my mind, totally trusting my sub-conscioussesness and body. The milk graving stopped as soon the job was finished. I am back to a cup a week.

These things don't stop to amaze me. The wisdom of my body is amazing. Our minds fuck it all up.

I end with Paracelcus: Every medicine is poison and every poison is medicine. It all depends on the dose.

And the dose is highly individual. That's why we have to become our own doctors. No-one can look better after ourselves than ourselves.

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JC's avatar

It's the Spirit of the thing, not the thing itself.

Interesting about the milk - I was reading how the calcium in milk is used to detox fluoride OD. Calcium in the milk binds to agents for transport out.

Never got much into glue, though I have had miracles happen with the bizarrest of substances.

It's the Spirit, not the thing itself.

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Adam Pike's avatar

It amazes me how folks have no qualms about altering their state of mind with lab-created pharmaceuticals, but shudder at the concept of doing so with a natural plant with 5,000 years of historical safe usage.

As you say, the more harmful drugs are made legal and those offering benefits are demonized, which is interesting in light of the legalisation of cannabis across the US. Perhaps this is because they're not offering 'natural' cannabis with healthy ratios of CBD/THC?

With THC to CBA ratios of over 300:1 they're a far cry from the plant medicines they once were, especially considering THC oils and Dabs. This seems akin to Meadowsweet and Aspirin, the former being safe and effective, the latter being extremely 'effective' but also harmful through lacking all the buffering and synergistic agents of the whole.

For myself, and most of those I grew up with who also smoked this high THC cannabis, it seems to have had only deleterious effects... We even sought out this stuff over the more natural 'natural/yardy' types, as it was all about getting high with no consideration to health.

The extent of my childhood drug education was a visit by a policeman to my secondary school, where he told us 'drugs are bad mkay?' and scared us with the usual horror stories.

Funnily enough, psychedelics were the one thing I avoided at all costs - knowing they wouldn't help me to escape, but would in fact force me to confront my demons. I have little doubt my troubled younger self would have benefited greatly from psychedelic therapy.

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Being Nobody, Going Nowhere's avatar

Hi Adam, I think you got that last paragraph right. I know a "macho drug taker". He takes everything under the sun and lots of it and brags about it how he handles it. But he is shit-scared of anything psychedlic. He abuse mushrooms once and got so worked over he never ever touched it again.

See my other comments above regarding a) chemical vs natural and b) the mistake of seeking highs. I agree, those inside THC ratios ruin a lot.

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Stefatanus's avatar

The War on Drugs is much like the War on Terror - unwinnable / unending.

Timothy Leary was a CIA asset

MKUltra anybody ?

Peter Green (Fleetwood Mac) was destroyed by psychedelics

Many valid points raised though Markus

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Being Nobody, Going Nowhere's avatar

One more thing - I don't think they ever intended to win the war on drugs, It is an ever-repeating billions of dollars yearly cash cow for certain agencies.

It started with the alcohol prohibition. This not only created the Mafia in the USA but also the bureacratic apparatus to manage the prohibition and to fight the Mafia. It fed many families and made a few people wealthy.

Then the prohibition stopped and they had this huge agency sitting there polcing it - unemployed. So they very quickly prohibited Marijauna so the agency could continue. And so it went until now and will continue forever. No-one in those agencies wants to win that war because it feeds them. That's why it is not won.

This is true for almost all bureaucracies on this planet.They are like organims that want to survive. Parasites, to be precise.

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Stefatanus's avatar

Agree Which is why I referenced the wars on drugs/ terror Both massive cash cows that enable more surveillance and laws such as confiscation of. “The proceeds of crime “ etc. The Siciliano Mafia were bit players compared to the Government and the real ethnic criminal cabal

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Being Nobody, Going Nowhere's avatar

Or did Peter Green destroy himself by wrong use? Drugs dont have agency. Thats my point.

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Stefatanus's avatar

But they do have an effect. In his case Schizophrenia

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Being Nobody, Going Nowhere's avatar

Granted. Some people are sensitve to it. That's why people should start low and easy. And stop if it doesn't suit them.

It is all managable with common sense. No need to demonize them.

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