“Those power-drunken crimes against humanity will hang over them forever. It is not if they will be hunted down, it is when they will be caught, humiliated and punished. The hunt started four years ago.”
I got an overwhelming feeling of Schadenfreude when I read this.Does that make me a bad person or just a human?
I said I'd forward your analysis correlating boosters & excess mortality to influential people. This morning, I received an email that it had been forwarded to Senator Roberts' senior advisor, that the Senate inquiry was on today & to look out for Senator Roberts' submission. Well done to you
What if no amount of love, safety and abundance is enough, what if certain amount of suffering is needed to keep the species balanced and going? Love and hate, all is One and One is Everywhere. What if when we strive for more Love, we also strive for more Hate? What if when we seek more Light with also find more Darkness?
What if endless Love withing human race is a destruction of everything else because there is no one stopping us anymore? What if we have hate and violence so the balance can be kept and other species have some of the world to themselves as well? Can this planet sustain so much Human Love?
Hi Ali, interesting topic and link. Yes, I heard of these experiments before.
What came up for me spontaneously is this:
You write:........."those rats were doomed, yet they had anything they needed."
I don't agree.
1. They didn't have freedom, for example. Why do we think this is only important for humans? Every visit to a zoo will show us signs of strange unnatural behaviour of caged animals that are well looked after physically, but lack freedom of movement.
2. They didn't have meaning anymore. Striving for survival gives meaning. As you pointed out, "suffering" is part of that and a balance is usually sought between lazy comfort and stressful survival activity.
3. We don't know much about how self-conscious and therfore how spiritual animals are. But we know humans are. We therfore have to be careful to apply animal studies and bahaviour to human behaviour.
4. As I pointed out in this article, there are two kinds of love. I agree with you with your dualisitc perception of emotions - the opposites will, earlier or later, show as well e.g. love - hate - love -hate. They go together. They define each other.
Spiritually opening the doors of perception allows to experience more love, but also more hate - the classic good/evil divide spiritual seekers and mystics have to transcend by disidentification from both and realization of what we really are: Not the experiencers of emotional states but the knower, witness or observer of this process.
Rather than being identified with the content of consciousness - all conscious experience - we shift gradually or sometimes suddenly to becoming the other part of that possibly last duality - the witnessing part of consciousness.
This disidentifies us from the sew-saw nature of love - hate, for example.
With that, love - hate loses it's habitual power over our behaviour. It becomes neutral, like verything else.
In realty, there is no meaning. The biological meaning of survival has been trancended and survival ceased to be an important issue creating fear when threatened, and joy when secured.
Instead, survival of the body-mind is simply a neutral automatic functioning that takes care of itself.
I also agree with your assessment that excessive identification with dualistic love - hate will wear out people and the planet. After all - love is the desire to create, hate the desire to destroy.
This process can't be helped and is natural, the very fabric of life itself. But the process is not the problem. It is the egoic identification with this process that causes all the suffering and problems.
Hence, spiritual practice and ultimatley freedom from this egoic identification with everything.
When that happens, as pointed out in my article, the dual-split of content of consciousness and witnessing consciousness itself, is healed. The drop returns to the ONE ocean.
This is also often described as love, God, bliss, peace - but it is a non-dual version of it and every attempt to intellectually undetstand how that must be is doomed because the very foundation of all of our understanding is dualistic. That's simply how our mind and experience is structured. A law of nature. Nothing else. Nothing mysterious about it.
A energy flows between the two poles of a battery, biological human life flows between the to poles of dualisitc conditioning, between love and hate, desire and fear. This provides the energy and motivation to do anything, to strive.
That's why the mind is often described as the veil that keeps us from nondual Oneness, God, Bliss, Peace and God.
The final and ultimate understanding, the mother of all deep realizations, is that God or non-duality can't be understood nor achieved by any doing or striving. Because all doing and striving is mind-based and facilitated by the mind. Nothing from within our mind can lead us to what IS - God - beyond our mind.
If we think deeply about what the mind entails - thoughts, ideas, sensations, believes, emotions, intuitions, imaginations, hunches, all the senses, in short, the totality of all perception and conception - we realize that the mind is the facilitator and experiencer of all our conscious experience. All what we deem "us" and all what we deem "the world" is made from that stuff called mind.
That realization, when deep enough, leads to a major shift in behaviour in the dualistic world.
In short, all striving - even spiritual striving - stops because it is realized as meaningless.
But this meaninglessness is joyful and full of the sense that EVERYTHING just IS, EVERYTHING is provided now, EVERYTHING simply happens, and whatever happens is perfect from the perspective of the whole, the realizataion that whatever happens can't be any other way because is is based on trillions of cause and effect relationshsips.
This leads to the full accaptance of whatever happens in a given moment, independent of if it might benefit or hinder the survival or well-being of this particular body-mind we call "me, myself and I".
There is also this recognition that it is impossible to predict if a certain event, that seems good or bad for our body-mind, is in fact good or bad in reality.
All good and bad considerations are based on the idea that we are this finite body-mind and the frentic attempt to edge out an advantage over others to prolong its existence. This is really illusionary foolish childplay because life and it's unimaginable complexity can't be manipulated by this tiny organism we call "us".
As so often the incredibly lucid Nisargadatta condenses it to just a few words:
"Q: I am tired of promises. I am tired of sadhanas (spiritual practice), which take all my time and energy and bring nothing. I want reality here and now. Can I have it?"
M: Of course you can, provided you are really fed up with everything, including your sadhanas.
When you demand nothing of the world, nor of God, when you want nothing, seek nothing, expect nothing then the Supreme State will come to you uninvited and unexpected!
Q: What happened to you then? How did you know that you are the Supreme?
M: Nobody came to tell me. Nor was I told so inwardly. In fact, it was only in the beginning when I was making efforts, that I was passing through some strange experiences; seeing lights, hearing voices, meeting gods and goddesses and conversing with them. Once the Guru told me: 'You are the Supreme Reality', I ceased having visions and trances and became very quiet and simple. I found myself desiring and knowing less and less, until I could say in utter astonishment: 'I know nothing, I want nothing.'
To know that you are a prisoner of your mind, that you live in an
imaginary world of your own creation is the dawn of wisdom. To want nothing of it, to be ready to abandon it entirely, is earnestness. Only such earnestness, born of true despair, will make you trust me.
M: Not making use of one's consciousness is samadhi. You just leave your mind alone. You want nothing, neither-from your body nor from your mind.
Questioner: Without God's power nothing can be done. Even you would not be sitting here and talking to us without Him.
Maharaj: All is His doing, no doubt. What is it to me, since I want nothing? What can God give me, or take away from me? What is mine is mine and was mine even when God was not. Of course, it is a very tiny little thing, a speck -- the sense 'I am', the fact of being. This is my own place, nobody gave it to me. The earth is mine; what grows on it is God's.
When by the laws of his being he finds the way of return (nivritti) he abandons all motives,
for his interest in the world is over. He wants nothing -- neither from others nor from himself. He dies to all and becomes the All. To want nothing and do nothing -- that is true creation! To watch the universe emerging and subsiding in one's heart is a wonder
I am dead to the world, I want nothing, not even to live.
Thanks, thanks, thanks...
Found this complementary to your text :
WHENEVER ONE PERSON STANDS UP AND SAYS:
"WAIT A SECOND, THIS IS WRONG",
IT HELPS OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THE SAME.
“Those power-drunken crimes against humanity will hang over them forever. It is not if they will be hunted down, it is when they will be caught, humiliated and punished. The hunt started four years ago.”
I got an overwhelming feeling of Schadenfreude when I read this.Does that make me a bad person or just a human?
Hi Ma Mu
I said I'd forward your analysis correlating boosters & excess mortality to influential people. This morning, I received an email that it had been forwarded to Senator Roberts' senior advisor, that the Senate inquiry was on today & to look out for Senator Roberts' submission. Well done to you
Very well said about LOVE. Sounds like anthroposophic.
Lovely! We need - desperately - to turn our attention toward Light. Thank you for voicing that!
Are you familiar with Universe 25 experiment, so called behavioral sink?
Those rats in the experiment were doomed yet they had anything they needed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink
What if no amount of love, safety and abundance is enough, what if certain amount of suffering is needed to keep the species balanced and going? Love and hate, all is One and One is Everywhere. What if when we strive for more Love, we also strive for more Hate? What if when we seek more Light with also find more Darkness?
What if endless Love withing human race is a destruction of everything else because there is no one stopping us anymore? What if we have hate and violence so the balance can be kept and other species have some of the world to themselves as well? Can this planet sustain so much Human Love?
Hi Ali, interesting topic and link. Yes, I heard of these experiments before.
What came up for me spontaneously is this:
You write:........."those rats were doomed, yet they had anything they needed."
I don't agree.
1. They didn't have freedom, for example. Why do we think this is only important for humans? Every visit to a zoo will show us signs of strange unnatural behaviour of caged animals that are well looked after physically, but lack freedom of movement.
2. They didn't have meaning anymore. Striving for survival gives meaning. As you pointed out, "suffering" is part of that and a balance is usually sought between lazy comfort and stressful survival activity.
3. We don't know much about how self-conscious and therfore how spiritual animals are. But we know humans are. We therfore have to be careful to apply animal studies and bahaviour to human behaviour.
4. As I pointed out in this article, there are two kinds of love. I agree with you with your dualisitc perception of emotions - the opposites will, earlier or later, show as well e.g. love - hate - love -hate. They go together. They define each other.
Spiritually opening the doors of perception allows to experience more love, but also more hate - the classic good/evil divide spiritual seekers and mystics have to transcend by disidentification from both and realization of what we really are: Not the experiencers of emotional states but the knower, witness or observer of this process.
Rather than being identified with the content of consciousness - all conscious experience - we shift gradually or sometimes suddenly to becoming the other part of that possibly last duality - the witnessing part of consciousness.
This disidentifies us from the sew-saw nature of love - hate, for example.
With that, love - hate loses it's habitual power over our behaviour. It becomes neutral, like verything else.
In realty, there is no meaning. The biological meaning of survival has been trancended and survival ceased to be an important issue creating fear when threatened, and joy when secured.
Instead, survival of the body-mind is simply a neutral automatic functioning that takes care of itself.
I also agree with your assessment that excessive identification with dualistic love - hate will wear out people and the planet. After all - love is the desire to create, hate the desire to destroy.
This process can't be helped and is natural, the very fabric of life itself. But the process is not the problem. It is the egoic identification with this process that causes all the suffering and problems.
Hence, spiritual practice and ultimatley freedom from this egoic identification with everything.
When that happens, as pointed out in my article, the dual-split of content of consciousness and witnessing consciousness itself, is healed. The drop returns to the ONE ocean.
This is also often described as love, God, bliss, peace - but it is a non-dual version of it and every attempt to intellectually undetstand how that must be is doomed because the very foundation of all of our understanding is dualistic. That's simply how our mind and experience is structured. A law of nature. Nothing else. Nothing mysterious about it.
A energy flows between the two poles of a battery, biological human life flows between the to poles of dualisitc conditioning, between love and hate, desire and fear. This provides the energy and motivation to do anything, to strive.
That's why the mind is often described as the veil that keeps us from nondual Oneness, God, Bliss, Peace and God.
The final and ultimate understanding, the mother of all deep realizations, is that God or non-duality can't be understood nor achieved by any doing or striving. Because all doing and striving is mind-based and facilitated by the mind. Nothing from within our mind can lead us to what IS - God - beyond our mind.
If we think deeply about what the mind entails - thoughts, ideas, sensations, believes, emotions, intuitions, imaginations, hunches, all the senses, in short, the totality of all perception and conception - we realize that the mind is the facilitator and experiencer of all our conscious experience. All what we deem "us" and all what we deem "the world" is made from that stuff called mind.
That realization, when deep enough, leads to a major shift in behaviour in the dualistic world.
In short, all striving - even spiritual striving - stops because it is realized as meaningless.
But this meaninglessness is joyful and full of the sense that EVERYTHING just IS, EVERYTHING is provided now, EVERYTHING simply happens, and whatever happens is perfect from the perspective of the whole, the realizataion that whatever happens can't be any other way because is is based on trillions of cause and effect relationshsips.
This leads to the full accaptance of whatever happens in a given moment, independent of if it might benefit or hinder the survival or well-being of this particular body-mind we call "me, myself and I".
There is also this recognition that it is impossible to predict if a certain event, that seems good or bad for our body-mind, is in fact good or bad in reality.
All good and bad considerations are based on the idea that we are this finite body-mind and the frentic attempt to edge out an advantage over others to prolong its existence. This is really illusionary foolish childplay because life and it's unimaginable complexity can't be manipulated by this tiny organism we call "us".
As so often the incredibly lucid Nisargadatta condenses it to just a few words:
"Q: I am tired of promises. I am tired of sadhanas (spiritual practice), which take all my time and energy and bring nothing. I want reality here and now. Can I have it?"
M: Of course you can, provided you are really fed up with everything, including your sadhanas.
When you demand nothing of the world, nor of God, when you want nothing, seek nothing, expect nothing then the Supreme State will come to you uninvited and unexpected!
Q: What happened to you then? How did you know that you are the Supreme?
M: Nobody came to tell me. Nor was I told so inwardly. In fact, it was only in the beginning when I was making efforts, that I was passing through some strange experiences; seeing lights, hearing voices, meeting gods and goddesses and conversing with them. Once the Guru told me: 'You are the Supreme Reality', I ceased having visions and trances and became very quiet and simple. I found myself desiring and knowing less and less, until I could say in utter astonishment: 'I know nothing, I want nothing.'
To know that you are a prisoner of your mind, that you live in an
imaginary world of your own creation is the dawn of wisdom. To want nothing of it, to be ready to abandon it entirely, is earnestness. Only such earnestness, born of true despair, will make you trust me.
M: Not making use of one's consciousness is samadhi. You just leave your mind alone. You want nothing, neither-from your body nor from your mind.
Questioner: Without God's power nothing can be done. Even you would not be sitting here and talking to us without Him.
Maharaj: All is His doing, no doubt. What is it to me, since I want nothing? What can God give me, or take away from me? What is mine is mine and was mine even when God was not. Of course, it is a very tiny little thing, a speck -- the sense 'I am', the fact of being. This is my own place, nobody gave it to me. The earth is mine; what grows on it is God's.
When by the laws of his being he finds the way of return (nivritti) he abandons all motives,
for his interest in the world is over. He wants nothing -- neither from others nor from himself. He dies to all and becomes the All. To want nothing and do nothing -- that is true creation! To watch the universe emerging and subsiding in one's heart is a wonder
I am dead to the world, I want nothing, not even to live.